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is Mister Glass the hero of the trilogy?

posted 5 years ago by CyborgSlunk (14)
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so at the end of unbreakable, we're obviously left feeling like Elijah was insane. He went too far to find a superhero, just so he could find his own reason for existing.

we can understand why he did it, and we even feel a bit sorry for him, but he clearly shouldn't have done what he did.

but at the end of this film, we see his ultimate goal is to defeat an organisation that has been suppressing man's potential for thousands of years.
which is a noble goal on a scale greater than any current world events.

I don't think he knew about the black clover (is that what they are called?) at the time of unbreakable, so it doesn't excuse his actions in that film.

but maybe any sacrifices he makes in this film are justifiable?

I feel like he's a bit like magnito or somebody, who has a justifiable and just purpose, but maybe goes at it a bit too hard. makes sacrifices that may or may not be justifiable.

I certainly felt very emotional at the end of this film on Elijah's behalf.

what do you think?
were the sacrifices worth it?
is it of benefit to the human race to open the door to super heroes and villains? (it'll certainly make the daily news more entertaining)
should we have the truth regardless of the consequences? (that's a very heavy question. maybe we don't need to get into that one)

do you think the villains will outnumber the heroes?

and the original question: is Mr. Glass ultimately the hero of this trilogy?

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 5 years ago

Yes, he is, if you ignore his actions on Unbreakable. He died so the world could leave ignorance. Now, I wonder if he could have come up with a better plan. One in which he would still reveal the existence of super beings to the world, but without getting himself killed.

I mean, with his brains and the beast's muscles, it probably wouldn't be too difficulty to outrun these guys, at least for a while.

"do you think the villains will outnumber the heroes?"

I remember that on Unbreakable, Mr. Glass said something along these lines: "If there's someone like me, then there's gotta be someone on the other side of the spectrum". So I think the "universe" will try to keep it balanced. Maybe there's a villain for every hero and vice versa.

[–] CyborgSlunk (14) 5 years ago

after a discussion in another thread, I realize now that the mental facility was a clover operation from the ground up, so all staff killed by the beast are fine. they're "evil" henchmen. so that's conscience free for Mr. Glass (if he even has a conscience, which I don't think he does)

I loved the way the movie ended, so I wouldn't want to change anything. but i do wonder.....

what if Elijah tried to tell David and the horde about clover, and got them both on-side to escape from them?

hmmm.

I don't think he would do that, because David would never expose himself (ha ha, he does look like a flasher in his costume).
and Mister Glass' whole thing is about exposing the super heroes. he cares about that more than anybody's life.

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 5 years ago

Yeah, I figured the institution and everyone in it was in on it with the organization. I don't think he would have told David either. I didn't like the ending all that much. Expected more fighting and a bigger showdown in scale. I would have really liked to see them face off on the top of that building. But my biggest problem was how easily Dunn went down.

I mean, just moments before the guy drowns Dunn in the puddle, he was fighting the Beast inside that water tank. Yet, despite the water, he was strong enough to punch that hard wall and break the tank. So how is it that he wasn't strong enough to break free from that man's grasp?

[–] CyborgSlunk (14) 5 years ago

I really don't agree.

I can totally understand why you would feel let down by the location of the final battle, but for me....

I was feeling the hype for the approaching battle. then when they got outside, and it became clear that it was going to happen right there, I was glad and even more excited. why travel all that way to another arbitrary location, when we can just start this shit right now! let's get it on!!!

and I didn't feel disappointed by the fight at all. the beast was an absolute beast, and when david shows us he is capable of taking him on. It was better and more bad ass than any marvel movie battle.

I was "disappointed" that the battle came to an end prematurely. but I feel like it was a worthy sacrifice for the story.
those guys all dying was the right thing to happen.

as for david being killed so easily. I guess water really is his kryptonite. it isn't just that he is capable of drowning, it actually weakens him (which I think we've seen before in his two movies).

and we don't know that clover doesn't have super dudes on their team (I would be surprised if they didn't). the guy that drowned david may have had super strength.

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 5 years ago

"and we don't know that clover doesn't have super dudes on their team (I would be surprised if they didn't). the guy that drowned david may have had super strength.

That's a possibility. I was reading through the discussions, and someone mentioned that his strength was fading away, slowly. That's why he was still strong enough to punch wall, but was completely drained of strength to fight off that guy. He had been in contact with water for too long by then.

[–] CyborgSlunk (14) 5 years ago

That's how I see it.

I forgot to mention, that the other positive about the fight happening at the facility is that it plays into it all being part of Mr. Glass' plan. with Osaka tower being a misdirection, and the cameras, and him taking the basement route to give David time to catch up.

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 5 years ago

That's the cool part of it. But I don't know if it makes up for the visual spectacle that the fight on the tower would have been.

[–] CyborgSlunk (14) 5 years ago

I know this gets said a lot, and I don't mean it aggressively, but if you want spectacle, I think you should watch some MCU. I don't think this film needs it.

I love MCU by the way.
how about that thor ragnarok huh? now that's a good movie.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8289) 5 years ago

Even if you wanted that--and I'm not sure it would've been best for the story, sounds like a right turn straight into Clicheville--you had to know it wasn't happening on an already-stretched-to-the-breaking-point budget of $20 million. (But maybe you didn't know the budget.)

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 5 years ago

I had no idea the budget was that low. I try to read as little as possible about movies I am anticipating.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8289) 5 years ago

I'm no sure you'd call him the "hero," per se, but you could call him the protagonist, which really has a different meaning from hero, strictly speaking.

He is ultimately the guy who drives the story from the first film to the third. He is the mastermind, directing the action. Even though we think it's David Dunn's story, it's ultimately not.

Are Elijah's actions justified? I guess that's ultimately for each viewer to decide--kind of like with Thanos in Infinity War--but I think that while his aims may make sense, the collateral damage is just not worth it. It's hard to justify killing thousands of people in multiple acts of terrorism in an attempt to root out his super-equal, who he isn't even sure exists until Dunn is revealed.

But another question we have to ask here is: Who is really in the right, Elijah or the clover society? Elijah wants to bring all the superhumans out into the open, so that they will flourish, and that this is the correct path. The clovers, however, think that if this were to actually happen it would make society unstable and make the world more dangerous for regular people. They can't both be right.

[–] IRONFIST2020 (165) 5 years ago

the secret sociaty bitch was clearly the main vilian in the movie. killing david dun who was innocent. shes the one who needs to be locked up

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8289) 5 years ago

Depends on how you look at it.

They believe that it's their duty to protect the world from superhumans because such a power imbalance could be dangerous for regular citizens. They only killed Dunn after less destructive methods (convincing him he's not really superpowered) were ineffective.

For them it's clearly about the greater good, and they do think they are doing good.

[–] IRONFIST2020 (165) 5 years ago

and yet david dun was 19 years with this knowledge and nothing happend. so? they may think they doing it for the greater good but they really dosent. the super powers of the 3 is not some superman stuff. its bearly unhuman. so he can bend steel? there are people dragging monster trucks with their teeths. david dunn dosent really have a super power. hes not luke cage. just a man with strong bones.

[–] PrimeMinisterX (8289) 5 years ago

He's stronger and tougher than a regular person. It's more than just bending steel and "strong bones." He was also the only survivor of a train crash that killed every single other person on board while he emerged without a scratch. He is Elijah's opposite, and as just as strong as Elijah is fragile, and Elijah is extremely fragile.

Also, when Kevin is in Beast form, he is not only extremely tough and strong--remember the snipers waited for him to transform back into a regular person before taking their shot--but he can also walk on walls.

You are understating their abilities.

Clover's concern is not one guy, like Dunn, walking the streets. They are worried about a total breakout of superheroes and supervillains, which just might happen if they start to realize they aren't alone in the world. Likewise, they are also worried about guys like Elijah, who proved himself capable of mass murder all the way back in the first film.

[–] kenburke (2279) 5 years ago

He was changed from a villain to an anti-hero.

[–] IRONFIST2020 (165) 5 years ago

no hes not. hes a mass murderer but because of mental issues not evil. hes not an evil guy hes just driven by illusions and had terrible childhood.