On this date in Box Office performance tracking....Fun Factoid: - Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (2019) Discussion

[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

As of 08/08/2019 the same thing happened as happened 08/07/2017!!

TLK2019 has a daily amount greater than Hobbs & Shaw. But I could have sworn that an unreliable source was saying that Hobbs & Shaw was going to own the summer. If TLK2019 is already performing better in 5he day to day Box Office (it is #1) wouldn't that mean TLK2019 is doing quite well?

Am I missing something.

For the official record: I haven't seen either film as of yet and will see both soon.

Official Record #2: As I have the Lion King films I will indeed add this to my collection. I stopped buying the Fast/ Furious after Five. I never bought 2 because it did not seem worthwhile.

Yes, my FF collection is incomplete and I am okay with that as I don't think I will ever watch them again.

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[–] Satan2016 (23350) 5 years ago

TLK and H&S are competing for top spot this weekend. BOMojo predicts $22m for both. Scary Shit a bit less.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

[–] Satan2016 (5506) 12 minutes ago
TLK and H&S are competing for top spot this weekend. BOMojo predicts $22m for both. Scary Shit a bit less.

It won't even be close. TLK2019 had a weekday bounce because of kids. The Friday-Sunday performance will favor Hobbs & Shaw and all of the new releases over TLK2019. TLK2019 will do fine and is performing fine, it just isn't the Amazing Disappearing Box office that QueenFanUSA is hoping will happen.

With a $200 Million production budget alone Hobbs & Shaw isn't looking to be the summer Box office powerhouse that QueenFanUSA is hoping and wishing will happen. From Deadline, and they are pretty much spot on with their analysis for this summer season:

Universal’s Hobbs & Shaw isn’t going anywhere and will stay put in No. 1 this coming weekend with $28M-$30M, a decline of 50%-53%. This as five wide entries flood the market: Paramount/Nickelodeon/Walden Media/MRC’s storied IP Dora and the Lost City of Gold, CBS Films/eOne/Lionsgate’s Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, Disney/Fox’s The Art of Racing in the Rain, New Line’s 1978 femme mobster pic The Kitchen and Bleecker Street’s Brian Banks.

Why so much stuff? Some of these movies are bound to step on one another demo-wise. Word is many rivals were trying to avoid The Lion King, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Hobbs & Shaw. Another factor slowing down business this weekend: Kids already are going back to school, with K-12 going from 96% out last Friday to 84% this Friday. That number will reduce to 30% K-12 schools out by August 30. Meanwhile, 97% of all colleges continue to remain on summer break per comScore.

So this point of the summer season is starting to favor more adult fare going forward. TLK2019 could surprise though but I think there was too much negative publicity that diminished the "Event" effect for TLK2019.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

In the end, H&S overperformed that prediction and TLK underperformed by 2 million.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

[–] QueenFanUSA (2060) 5 hours ago
In the end, H&S overperformed that prediction and TLK underperformed by 2 million.

Except that isn't at all reflective of reality or the broader industry-wide expectations for both films now is it? From Deadline:

Universal’s Hobbs & Shaw isn’t going anywhere and will stay put in No. 1 this coming weekend with $28M-$30M, a decline of 50%-53%. This as five wide entries flood the market: Paramount/Nickelodeon/Walden Media/MRC’s storied IP Dora and the Lost City of Gold, CBS Films/eOne/Lionsgate’s Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, Disney/Fox’s The Art of Racing in the Rain, New Line’s 1978 femme mobster pic The Kitchen and Bleecker Street’s Brian Banks.

Why so much stuff? Some of these movies are bound to step on one another demo-wise. Word is many rivals were trying to avoid The Lion King, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Hobbs & Shaw. Another factor slowing down business this weekend: Kids already are going back to school, with K-12 going from 96% out last Friday to 84% this Friday. That number will reduce to 30% K-12 schools out by August 30. Meanwhile, 97% of all colleges continue to remain on summer break per comScore.

Wait for it....wait for it....

Meanwhile, The Lion King in Weekend 4 is going to create even more of a barrier for these movies with a $19M hold. Through Tuesday, the Jon Favreau-directed pic is up $444M. Meanwhile Hobbs & Shaw counts $74.4M after an estimated $8.5M Tuesday (Mission: Impossible – Fallout‘s Tuesday a year ago was $9.4M, with Hobbs & Shaw now pacing 4% behind the running total of that Tom Cruise pic). Hobbs easily will cross $100M stateside this weekend.

Yikes!!! There it is TLK2019 was predicted by Deadline to do about $19 Million while Calvin & Hobbes, ahem, I mean Hobbs & Shaw was predicted to do between $28 to $30 Million.

So what say you QFU? Looks like TLK2019 OVER performed to Industry expectation and H&S Underperformed. You want more?

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

Let's take a little peek-a-boo at what The Wrap has to say about the Box office shenanigan's of H&S:

Universal’s “Hobbs & Shaw” led new releases and holdovers this weekend with $25 million grossed in its second frame, pushing the “Fast & Furious” spinoff to a 10-day domestic total of $108 million. That result for the “Fast & Furious” spinoff is a 58% drop from its $60 million opening. While “Fate and the Furious” had a similar drop from its $98 million opening two years ago, “Hobbs & Shaw” is now falling behind the pace of “Mission: Impossible – Fallout.” That Tom Cruise action film had a similar start to “Hobbs & Shaw,” opening in late July last year to a $60 million opening, but it held on better with just a 42% drop in its second weekend. “Hobbs & Shaw” is still looking to its release in China in two weeks, hoping to continue the “Fast & Furious”‘ winning streak in that country.

That sounds like the scenario you've been trying vainly and wrongly to spin about TLK2019. Except it is what is actually happening with H&S. H&S is struggling, STRUGGLING to hold onto an audience right out of the gate that it never really had during a lackluster OW. Low opening weekend, Prestigious IP, no I mean Premium IP and poor, just plain POOR Box Office results. QueenFanUSA, So what's going on here?; as Timon would say from the Lion King.

Need more? From indieWire:

“Hobbs & Shaw” repeated as No. 1 in its second weekend. With a gross of $25 million, its drop of 58 percent actually is slightly better than the two most recent “Fast & Furious” entries. But it sold fewer tickets than any second August weekend No. 1 title, either new or holdover, this century.

That suggests that H&S's Box Office isn't "feeling so good".

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

I say that The Lion King is UNDERPERFORMING domestically regardless of how Hobbs and Shaw is doing. It's going to barely scrape by BATB's domestic total. It's drops are horrible for a family film.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

[–] QueenFanUSA (2061) 2 minutes ago
I say that The Lion King is UNDERPERFORMING domestically regardless of how Hobbs and Shaw is doing. It's going to barely scrape by BATB's domestic total. It's drops are horrible for a family film.

That's interesting. Just because YOU say that TLK2019 is underperforming and THAT in and of itself is supposed to have some weight and some credibility and or some predictability?

Your track record is TURRIBLE.

It is also interesting that you suddenly don't care what one film is doing as compared to another film when that is your primary M.O. in most of Box Office rantings and diatribes against Disney. If I look hard enough, but really not TOO hard, I might even find a word or two from you comparing TLK2019 to BATB. Most of your belief system as to TLK2019 is based on BATB. Isn't it?

[–] NorrinRad (2105) 14 days ago
So recap:

1. TLK2019 has to do better than BATB domestically. Greater than $504 Million?
2. TLK2019 has to also do better than BATB WW ($1.263 Billion)
3. Only when TLK2019 garners a $400 Million amount above $820 Million can it be called a "Success".
4. If TLK2019 doesn't exceed BATB then Disney executives misused their One-In-A-Lifetime IP and should be fired?

Is there a #5?

[–] QueenFanUSA (2061) 14 days ago
#5. It's a success but it remains to be seen how BIG of a success it is. It is possible for it to be a financial success but also an underperformer and general disappointment at the same time.

International seems to be performing as expected but my concern lies with domestic. This fell quite a bit below Beauty and the Beast's second weekend.

Didn't you type that? Didn't you then go on to make other statements as to One-In-A-Lifetime IP and/or Premium IP's as being somehow important as to Domestic Box Office Totals? Wasn't your # Uno point was that TLK2019 had to perform better than BATB domestic?

So why does comparing films NOT matter any longer?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

It's doing great internationally.

It really is but it's domestic performance is disappointing

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

"It's going to barely scrape by BATB's domestic total. It's drops are horrible for a family film."

This is Queen speak for "it's going to make even more money than the wildly successful BatB".

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[–] Satan2016 (23350) 5 years ago

Wrong again! Weekend: TLK $20m, H&S $25½m.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

"there is something happening at the Box Office with TLK2019 that is positive"

Really?

Hmmmm. It looks like another 49% drop in weekend 4 and nearly 6 million below Hobbs and Shaw. The good news(I guess) is that this was it's lowest percentage drop yet. The bad news is that it's still near 50% drops it's 4th weekend out and that's not good at all for a family film. In fact, it's abnormally high for a family film.

With as many screens this is showing on it means a LOT of empty auditoriums out there.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

Norrinrad...I've noticed you've abandoned this botched attempt at trolling.

How come?
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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

[–] QueenFanUSA (2064) 11 minutes ago
Norrinrad...I've noticed you've abandoned this botched attempt at trolling.

How come?

I will be polite, quite polite and state that I have abandoned any attempt at having a conversation due to your lack of participation in any exchange.

I respond to your posts with objectivity and challenge some of your many, many positions and statements with references and counter arguments but you tend to ignore them. You will also conveniently and routinely ignore or just pretend that a question and or request that was directed pointedly (but politely at you) was never uttered.

Like now. How have I abandoned a conversation when only I am the one providing the impetus to move the conversation forward, and you are, ahem, quite silent or reluctant to engage?

Another point, you're NOT Billbrown so attempting to use a BillBrown-ism doesn't work for you.

this botched attempt at trolling???

You're attempting a "I'm rubber, you're glue tactic"? Do better, please?

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[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Queen always just stops replying when he's beaten. I mean, I'm still waiting to hear which film is going to beat the Lion King for second place at the Box Office this year.

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[–] NorrinRad (5019) 5 years ago

I remember you stating that TLK2019 would be the 2nd highest grossing film of 2019. You might not have said domestic and QFU went on to ridicule you and your prediction?

Nice call. TLK2019 is indeed the 2nd highest, behind A:E for 2019. QFU will never acknowledge that as it is a good story about a Disney property.

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