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I mean, it was a good movie, but...


I really didn't think that it was some great work of art. That it got Best Picture on top of the Best Foreign Language Film Oscar is blatantly politically motivated, and is grossly unfair to the other filmmakers.


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Well it was put forward by its country as Best International Film and that award technically goes to South Korea, not to Bong or his team, although of course he collects it.

It won the other categories on its own merits. The love for the film in the room was palpable - people just really love this movie. A non-English film was going to win eventually, given the reforms in membership and voting system in recent years - I am personally overjoyed that the film that broke this barrier also happens to be IMO the best film to win Best Picture so far this century.

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also happens to be IMO the best film to win Best Picture so far this century

Far from so in my opinion.


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Rads like true hype riding - classic over adulation for an acceptable but otherwise uninspiring film.

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I am about as far from ‘rad’ as one can get and I don’t ‘ride hype’. I saw this film seven months ago in a packed cinema and found it one of the most electrifying theatrical experiences I have had in years. Back then it was fresh off its Cannes win and I don’t think anybody expected it to go this far.

But this is just a film that people really engage with. It obviously helps that it is much more accessible to western audiences than most of Bong’s other work - or many other South Korean films for that matter. I really don’t think it’s a flavour of the month/token type of winner. You are of course free to disagree!

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So you're a fan of sth korean film then? Would this be your favourite sth korean film or do you prefer something from a previous time?

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I do admire quite a few SK films although there is a goofiness to some of them which stops me from completely loving them. Parasite is probably one of my top three SK movies, but based on only one viewing to date. I was really blown away by this film.

South Korea has certainly emerged as a force to be reckoned with in world cinema in recent decades and I hope that this breakthrough encourages people to check out films that otherwise they may not have.

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Yes, that's obvious, Exatera.

I expect it'll become a kind of 90-day Wonder. Because now that Hollyweird has done its "duty" and given it their conspicuous flattery to annoy your President, people will relax. The masses have been reassured, the bread and circuses theory has once again been proven.

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Because now that Hollyweird has done its "duty" and given it their conspicuous flattery to annoy your President


i dont get it

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Hollywood is Left, Trump is Right. Nth Korea was a bit less than adoring about Trump. Hollywood pointedly rewards a Korean filmmaker to subtly make a point against Trump.

Well, that's my feeling, anyway.

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this is a south korean movie and director. south korea is our ally

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Oh, well, I'm not American, so I didn't know that.

I suppose I should have, though. That's one strike against me. :)

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What does being American have to do with it? Just how ignorant are you if you think making a North Korean film of this nature is even possible, or that North Korea even participates in such events, or that anyone would go out of their way to reward NORTH Korea? Do you know anything about the country at all?? That an adult person is saying this is absolutely horrifying.


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Get lost.

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I am embarrassed for you.


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I thought the best film of last year was The Lighthouse and Willem Dafoe should have got a supporting nomination but what do I know.

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Agree with you. It was far from deserving best picture; worth only for Best Foreign Film. Infact, 'Life is Beautiful' was much more deserving foreign film to win best picture & which sadly got defeated by 'Shakespeare in Love'.

It had good cinematography, direction, acting and very good production design. But the film didn't have any level of greatness or any extra-ordinary aspect, rather it was a one-time watch mix of contemporary story lines.

Its laughable to see some people hailing it as a great movie going 'Whoa!....its a movie about class difference...OMG....rich and poor stuff.....Wow!' as if movies about rich & poor were never made.

The first half is a typical con-men movie about a con-family invading (infecting a host as Parasite, subtle symbolism check) a rich family. Influences from Dirty Rotten Scoundrels & The Heartbreakers are evident.

The sudden twist of a new character hiding in basement/bunker is a straight away influence from the Spanish movie 'The Hidden Face' & the Hollywood movie 'Don't Breathe'.

Second half is a self-indulgent psychological horror where it falls into character inconsistencies. A group of smart people capable to think & scheme a contrived plan to employ themselves in a rich family gets suddenly emotional and takes poor decisions. Suddenly falling in love with a rock, entering the basement of enemies all alone, asking a personal question once again after being warned once etc.

Infact a smart person like Kim Ki Taek who knows how to plan, lie & motivate people is a type of person who have seen the world and also knows his boundary in master-servant relationship. This person should have easily understood that Park doesn't like to chat personal stuffs and now if he wants to continue to reap the benefits, he has to stay mum & maintain decorum. But no, he farts again!

I mean, he should even know that a simple deodorant could have solved his odour problem. Had his character been the weakest of Kim family i.e. timid, emotional & not smart enough like rest of the members, his actions would have made sense.

The sheer hatred, antagonism, animosity to kill Mr. Park wasn't established or rather justified. The movie ended up as a self-indulgent drama. I know some simpletons here will grasp at straws to find relevance & symbolisms by saying 'I didn't see any problem to relate the end....it happens to poor people....blahblahblah' But the fact is that the script was a bit poor which brings the point that even the 'Best Screenplay' was undeserving.

Otherwise a very good movie from a great director (Memories of Murder, The Host, The Mother)
Overall...6.5/10.



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Thank you for describing what I saw in the film. When people say it's a brilliant satire on income inequality and modern day capitalism, I wonder what they're watching.

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+1

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Saving Private Ryan was defeated by Shakespeare In Love is the greater Shakespearean tragedy.

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Yeah...agree.

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Presenting a straw man. You just didn't get it.

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What didn't I get?


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That it was a nice movie and had a chance to win Best Picture. I wouldn't say it was a big movie or great movie as it was an art house movie, but the fresh story line and black comedy made it interesting. Every once in a while the small movie wins. I would've said the same if Jo Jo Rabbit got the nod.

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Did I say that it wasn't a nice movie?..

What I am saying is that it's not impressive or powerful enough to actually win, and many of the other nominees were stronger.

Also, not sure how "small" this movie can be possibly considered - Bong Joon Ho is a huge director in Korea and has already made several internationally known films.


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Haha. Which movie did you think should've won? Then, let's compare some of the budgets to Parasite which cost $11 M. When I talk about a small or art house movie, then I'm talking MONEY!!! SHOW ME YOUR FARKING MONEY!

ETA: What am I saying? It's just that I have better understanding of making a movie, small vs. large, and better taste than you ;).

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Unfortunately, you don't possess the sufficient intelligence to participate in this conversation.


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I was right. You could not answer what movie you think should've won. All you are is a bitter beotch who didn't want Parasite to win, win, win?

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I guess your main gripe is its oscars success....since when that piece of crap statuette stands for "great work of art"? it is always been a POPULARITY CONTEST, this was this year flavor of the month.

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I agree but it definitely was better than The Shape of Water. That was horrible!

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So true. The Shape of Water was just a gender swap remake of Splash.

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I don't remember Splash being that explicit but at least it had Darryl Hannah with her long hair stuck to her boobs. Man The Shape of Water was creepy and dumbed down.

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Why is it that whenever someone doesn’t like a critically acclaimed film as much as everyone else, they can’t say “meh, it wasn’t for me” and instead accuse all of its acclaim and awards on fixed political agendas?

I’m sorry you can’t see the genius in Parasite. Let the rest of us see it for you then.

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Well, who is "the rest of you"? You are one of very few people on this board who thinks that, not to mention a multitude of other blogs I've seen on the whole Best Picture Oscar issue. Everyone is, to put it mildly, perplexed by such a choice.

Nor did I say that I personally disliked the movie - but that's precisely the thing: even the people who have enjoyed it are for the most part objective enough to admit it's not Oscar material. Or superior to several other contenders.

And how ironic for you to claim that I state my opinion as fact yet at the same time not realize that you may be ascribing genius to something that doesn't possess it.


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The rest of me being 95% of filmgoers?

Considering I’m not even the only person in this single topic to express gratitude in Parasite’s BP win, I’d have to say you’re very wrong for thinking I’m in the minority. The film is ranked #20 in the IMDb Top 250 and has a 93% audience score on RT. Practically everyone I’ve heard, talked to, followed, etc for film has been more than happy that Parasite took home the BP. Suprised, maybe, because it is very suprising that a foreign film takes the trophy, but not many are angry or annoyed.

In fact, the only place I’ve heard people accuse Parasite of not being Oscar caliber or even overrated on any level is on this very website, and every single arguement from these people have been “it clearly was a leftist political move because the movie has minorities in it”. Exactly what you speculated, is it not? The same thing happened to Get Out and 12 Years A Slave, but at least those films were specifically about racial issues. Parasite is getting leftist agenda accusations simply because it happens to be made by Koreans.

Also, when did I state anything as fact? I clearly said that if you don’t like it, let us watch it instead. How is that objective? YOU are the one who said Parasite was “blatantly politically motivated, and is grossly unfair to the other filmmakers.” Written like you’re stating a fact, no? You seem pretty triggered by anyone who likes the film, so perhaps you’re the one who’s wrong?

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YOU are the one who said Parasite was “blatantly politically motivated, and is grossly unfair to the other filmmakers.”

That doesn't even make any sense - I said that the Best Picture Oscar was. Parasite certainly shouldn't have won both Best Foreign Film AND Best Picture.
And it's not like the Academy doesn't have a history of doing this, what with the Get Out and Black Panther nominations (at least they didn't win!), and numerous other instances.

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