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if no covid - what box office?


500m? or 800m? ww

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Without a star like DiCaprio, this was never going to be as big as Inception.

Dreams within dreams is a concept we can get our heads around. Inversion? That's a little too extreme for most people to get their heads around. It didn't create talking points other than 'did you see it?' for my friends, whereas Inception had many talking points.

I think this would have been around 500. You could argue that it's hit at $300,000 because it didn't have much competition.

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Inception also has iconic SFX scenes, like the 90° city and the rotating hotel corridor fight. Even the limbo was an intriguing sight. Not to mention the super slo-mo van drop from the bridge. The movie is choke-full of spectacles.

Even when some people don't care about the story, the visuals are remarkable. The same can be said to Interstellar too.

Tenet visuals were just about ships, and boats, a plane and more ships. What's the significance of these seafearing imageries anyway? Was it to depict that time flows like water? Or is it that Nolan just happens to like the sea? Anyway, those were not exciting vistas compared to Inception and Interstellar.

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Yes. It's a stylised movie and that's why I felt that Ellen Page was miscast amongst the stylish movie and cast.

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You mean Elliot?

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I'd say 8 or 9 would be a good guess. But it is really hard to say.

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So many variables to consider that it isn't really predictable.

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Tenet earned maybe 75% of what otherwise might have been expected overseas but closer to 1/3 of what might have been attained in North America. That’s around $400 million overseas and $165 million domestic for a total closer to Dunkirk ($525 million) than Interstellar ($677 million sans this year’s China reissue). But an over/under $60 million cume is just over/under 3x what anything else (Unhinged, The New Mutants, possibly Let Him Go and The War With Grandpa) has pulled off since theaters reopened.

Maybe the Pfizer PFE +7.7%-created Coronavirus vaccine (allegedly 90% effective, compared to 65% for most flu vaccines) turns out to be the real deal. Hopefully movie theaters do get a bailout early in a new Joe Biden administration and really do make it out of this mess alive and somewhat well. If that happens, then, yeah, Tenet may turn out to be the hero theaters needed not by becoming a blockbuster but by bombing during a time when theaters needed anything big to buy them time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/11/09/box-office-chris-nolan-tenet-tops-350-million-worldwide/

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I call that article bullshit. Dunkirk was a period piece, Interstellar was hard scifi. Tenet is a thriller set in present time, like Inception or Dark Knight, this is where Nolan makes the big bucks.

You apply the same percentages to other movies released during the Covid, and the outcome is that Mulan would have barely made $200M without Covid. New Mutants? $100M without Covid. Are they fucking serious???

Nolan doesn't join the woke herd and avoids political questions in interviews, like Chris "Cancelled" Pratt. It comes as no surprise that Forbes tries to downplay the movie.

The numbers are not credible.

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I never got the impression there was a ton of interest in it. Nolan is a draw for sure, but at the same time, people are kind of over him.

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It's too bad that Nolan insisted on releasing it during a pandemic. Lots of us would have gone to see it in the theater.

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High concept, low execution.

This was nowhere near as good as Inception.

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Agreed. More concept that actual story or something to get involved in.

It was a lot of "talk don't show." So, we have to imagine all this awful stuff that could happen if the good guys don't stop the random bad guy. If they had visualized the calamity that would have ensued if the good guys lost, we would have had a lot more investment in the movie. Plus, the ending was just very matter of fact. Little to no tension.

Disappointing. I was actually with the movie pretty well until that final half hour.

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Plus, I really liked Robert Pattinson in this. A good actor elevates the script.
Wish he was the Protagonist instead of John "whatshisface" Washington.

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Pattinson is GREAT in this! Agreed.

Washington wasn't given too much to work with, I thought. But, he was kind of flat.

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I thought Washington was lacking as well, perhaps miscast. Movie fell terribly flat for me.

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I don't think Washington was miscast. I think he did great as a confused character representing the audience. The problem is that when the time it comes for him to "oh now I see!" we don't. The script was just terrible.

Compare this to The Matrix. Keanu (Neo) was just as confused as us, the audience, when the movie starts. But then when he's like "i got this!" We do too. When he starts kicking ass we're like woohoo here we go!

The character Washington played did not give us that feeling. Hell, we don't even know who his name was! When he gets it, we still don't. When he starts kicking ass, instead of woohoo we're like uh-huh?

This is where the movie fails.

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A better script may've helped but he seemed to lack that certain intensity and presence a role like that calls for.

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800 million worldwide

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Before attempting to watch this movie, My Prediction PRE COVID would have been....


OW---60 to 75 Million

Total Domestic---190 to 250 M

WW----650 to 750 M


I would have felt extremely confident Making that ^ prediction for Tenet Pre Covid....


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I recently TRIED to watch Tenet...and I must say It was one of the most SHOCKING movie experiences of my life

Nolan Is TIED with David Fincher and M Night Shyamalan for my Favorite directors ever(Yes I said M Night Shyamalan, I completely admit this man had a streak of Literally Making some of the WORST films ever made, But for Me, He's Made 4 or 5 films that are among my favorite movies of all time)

anyways back Nolan....I LOVE Nolan and consider him easily one of the best directors....The Dark Knight, Inception, The Prestige and Memento are IMO ALL Time Great Films....and Movies Like Batman Begins, TDKR, Interstellar and Insomnia are good to great

Tenet was one of my most anticipated films 2020

But after trying to watch Tenet....I consider it Literally one of the worst examples of Film Making I've ever seen....I actually COULD NOT Finish it....

It astonishes me Nolan could FAIL this horrifically....

so after trying to watch this film....

My Box office opinion for this movie changes....before seeing this film, I felt Tenet in a pre covid box office landscape would preform similar to other Nolan films and would have outstanding WOM, and great repeat viewing causing its domestic box office especially to really leg out...

after trying to watch this film, I feel confident now saying Tenets OW and domestic total would have really suffered due the quality of the film...

New Prediction

OW----50 to 55 Million

Total Domestic---115 to 135 Million

WW---435 to 475 Million


Simply put....I believe this film would have drastically under performed domestically in a Pre-covid landscape and would not remotely had the same WOM and repeat viewing as say Inception, TDK or Even TDKR or Interstellar...


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and yet Hollywood (especially Warner) based alot of holding back their movies(and cinemas shutting as a result) on Tenet underperforming compared to Nolan prior films .. when its quite possible it might have underperformed anyway

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I'm afraid that the WW prediction 435-475 doesn't make any sense. With Covid, the movie has already made 360M worldwide.

Covid is killing new releases. Mulan barely made any money, neither did New Mutants. The Croods sequel has barely made 60M after two weeks. The original one made 600M.

Covid releases are making about only a 10% to 20%, perhaps 30% of the box office without Covid. If we apply that same rule to Tenet, the movie would have probably reached 1B.

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I'm afraid that the WW prediction 435-475 doesn't make any sense. With Covid, the movie has already made 360M worldwide.

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Yeah I factor in everything you said...

The reason it makes sense is...

I dont believe Tenets Intentionally Gross would have been much more....I've read several articles where They estimate Tenet Made 75 to 85% of its Potential Overseas, I just dont see Tenet Netting much more overseas even in a pre-covid landscape(Maybe another 50 Million More)

So for me This entirely comes down to domestic...

again I thought Tenet Might perform domestically Like Inception, But I now have absolute confidence there was no chance of that happening due to the films quality..

So I think Tenet's total Box office Pre-covid would be right around the 475 Million range(add another 50 Million Overseas and around another 75 Million domestically) and you get my 475 M figure


Covid releases are making about only a 10% to 20%, perhaps 30% of the box office without Covid. If we apply that same rule to Tenet, the movie would have probably reached 1B.

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I must say this is almost comical and I honestly question if you are being serious.

Theres not a box office analyst in the World Pre or Post Covid who predicted or TRULY expected Tenet to top 1 Billion+

Nolan's last 2 movies havent got close to 1 Billion....

Inception, which was coming off The Dark Knight, Had Incredible reviews, an insane repeat viewing factor and Had The Biggest A List Actor in The World In DiCaprio and didnt net 1 Billion

There is LITERALLY NOTHING to suggest or even remotely HINT Tenet had 1 Billion + potential




Its entirely Possible Tenet Could have Made MORE than my 475 Million estimate....I would not rule out a 550 to 600 Million dollar run Pre-Covid, although again IMO I believe thats unlikely, But I dont think you can find 1 credible box office source that would support Tenet Had 1 Billion + potential or SHOULD have made 1 Billion + if not for Covid






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You use Inception didn't make 1B as reason why Tenet can't make 1B is wrong.

Yes, Inception has big stars.

Yes, Inception coming off TDK.

But! But! Inception only require you watch once, Tenet ask people to watch at least three times to understand! (Some will say it require five times.)

It's like Titanic all over again, fan girls keep watch the same movie, because Leo is so hot! Fan boys will do the same to Tenet, because they want to understand what is going on!

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We have Youtube now.

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But! But! Inception only require you watch once, Tenet ask people to watch at least three times to understand! (Some will say it require five times.)

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Not remotely true....

Inception had a Massive Repeat Viewing factor...and absolutely had people going to see the film 2 or 3 times....

next, I agree that Tenet also requires multiple viewing and LIKE Inception I thought People would go see it multiple times and that would lead to a really Leggy box office run

But IMO, Tenet Isnt close to Inception in Quality and simply put, I just dont believe people liked Tenet enough to want to see it 2 or 3 times like Inception to fully understand everything.

Tenet has several things about the film that really turn people Off....and almost Anger people and makes them NOT want to watch it again.....Unlike Inception...

Tenets Sound Editing is among the oddest and most infuriating thing I've ever seen in a movie....and If you do a little research, Its a massive complaint by the Majority...

Tenet's "Inversion" is not remotely close to Inception's "dream with in a dream" concept...You can actually understand Inception's concept....Tenets Inversion concept is almost incomprehensible on 1st viewing



as I said....IMO Tenet had NO shot at 1 Billion+.....again I do not believe you will find 1 single credibl box office analyst that will claim "If Not for Covid, Tenet would have made 1 B+"

I've read dozens of articles and The consensus is, Tenet made close to 75% of its potential overseas and about 1/3 of its potential domestically...

at best, the overwhelming Majority of Box office Analysts believe Tenet, May have made another 50 or so million overseas and another 100 or so Million domestically




Bottom Line.....

Tenet wasnt a good enough movie to get the repeat viewing needed to perform Like Inception...

and Tenet didnt have the star power to Perform Overseas like Inception....


600 to 700 Million + for Tenet was absolutely in Play and Possible Pre Covid.....But there not 1 single thing you can point to that would suggest 1 Billion + was likely for Tenet....

Nolan's last 2 movies didnt remotely hit 1 Billion +

Inception didnt hit 1 Billion + with bigger stars and Better repeat Viewing


This is a rare case whre you are just wrong and I dont think you can find 1 box office analyst that will agree with you

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Analyst mean nothing, I dare you find a single credible box office analyst predict Titanic can make 1 B+.

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