An Important Lesson for the Next X-Men Franchise - Dark Phoenix (2019) Discussion

[–] AndyKing1967 (33688) 5 years ago

Agreed! The Byrne/Claremont run in the 80s was incredible.

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Uh...these movies have been following the Byrne/Claremont run for the most part.

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[–] AndyKing1967 (33688) 5 years ago

'For the most part' - my point exactly.
Days of Future Past was imho a very good X-Men film, as it stayed truer to the source material than the Dark Phoenix film, which I felt was a bit of a damp squib. Perhaps the film would have been less of a disappointment if it had followed the source material - just my opinion, not saying I'm right.

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[–] PotatoWithEyes (131) 5 years ago

I guess what I'm saying is that for the inevitable MCU reboot, I hope they go a different route than just adapting Claremont/Byrne stories unless there's a Claremont/Byrne story that hasn't been done on in film yet and would make for a good one. I'm all ears...

Anyway, Days of Future Past wasn't a faithful adaptation. Wolverine wasn't the one who went back in time, and Kitty didn't send him there (she doesn't have that power). Magneto wasn't in the past scenes in the comic. How was Dark Phoenix that different from the source material? No Hellfire Club (they had already been used in First Class) and no big battle in space, but it otherwise didn't seem that different. I didn't hate the Dark Phoenix movie...it kept me entertained and it did have some well-done scenes, but it's time to move on from that storyline.

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[–] HarlemEagle42 (16135) 5 years ago

Also put a restraining order between the XMEN and Simon Kinberg, Bryan Singer, Gavin Hood, am I forgetting someone? On second though, Hood isn't that bad a director.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 5 years ago

Yeah we'd have to include Brett Ratner in there for sure.

Bryan Singer is a good director when he's actually committed to the project but I have to agree his style doesn't fit well with CBMs. Singer wants to make something his own. He has little or no interest in remaining faithful to comic book source material. Its as if he was trying to be Nolan before Nolan was a thing and showed how its done.

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[–] HarlemEagle42 (16135) 5 years ago

"Its as if he was trying to be Nolan before Nolan was a thing and showed how its done. "

Hadn't thought of it that way but you might be onto something.

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[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 5 years ago

Usually I'd agree but I have always thought that the "Dark Phoenix saga" was overrated. It was an interesting read but only in the context of the years of content that preceded it. It was never going to translate well to film. I feel exactly the same way about Apocalypse except that it wasn't even an interesting read the first time.

Very few Xmen stories would translate well to screen so I'm fine with them doing their own thing.

I didn't much care for DoFP to be honest. It was ok. First Class was the best of the new ones and possibly my favorite of the Xfilms.

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

This movie wasn’t about Jean becoming Dark Phoenix. It was about her taking control of her destiny and not becoming evil according to the filmmakers and the film itself.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 5 years ago

The movie thought it could be an equal or better story than the Dark Phoenix saga. The movie was wrong.

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[–] PotatoWithEyes (131) 5 years ago

Other than liking Apocalypse, I completely agree with your post. The Dark Phoenix Saga is overrated...it's only held up as being great by people who were reading comics at the time (in other words, they'd be pushing 50 now). Hell, I really didn't have major problems with the Dark Phoenix movie besides the fact that it was adapting a storyline I didn't think was all that great and was already adapted for X:TLS.

DoFP was just ok...agreed. I was glad I finally got to see Sentinels in these movies and it was good to see the old cast back one last time, but other than that, it just wasn't that good. I like the cartoon's adaptation of DoFP much better.

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

That would have been a bad idea. Jean becoming evil would have ruined the message of DOFP.

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[–] ghostrider38 (1034) 5 years ago

what was the message of DOFP?

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

That you change yourself and change your fate. Remember how Jean was alive and among the heroes in DOFP.

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

Yeah, in 2000, it was pragmatic not to get too crazy when it came to comicbook lore but in this day and age where comic movies have brought in multiverses, time travel, and cosmic beings, it doesn't make sense to to lean into the crazier side of the X-Men comics. They should have gone full blown cosmic Phoenix snuffing out suns while a galactic empire tries ot bring her down.

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

Her destroying planets would have been terrible storytelling and ruin the ending of DOFP.

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

Continuity in the X-Men movies hasn't mattered in years.

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

It’s not about continuity it’s about the theme of the ending. The message of DOFP was that you change yourself and change your fate. Jean becoming a villain again and destroying a planet would go against that message.

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

Right but these movies constantly go against each other to the point where it almost doesn't matter if you've seen them all or if you see them in order. DOFP had this great happy ending and then in Logan, it's revealed they all died anyway. Who cares? Literally nothing matters from one movie to the next.

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

And then in Deadpool 2 Cable went to the past and said he would keep the world from going to shit.

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

So?

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

Meaning he wasn’t going to let the X-Men die.

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

Why do you think that?

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[–] PussyMonster (294) 5 years ago

Because the X-Men are people are capable of saving the world and he know lives with them. You think he would just let Xavier kill them?

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[–] AP (5256) 5 years ago

Did Deadpool 2 end with Cable living with the X-Men? I'm pretty sure it didn't. Besides that, I just mentioned how continuity doesn't flow from one movie to the next so what happens in Deadpool 2 has no affect on, say, X-Men Dark Phoenix or New Mutants or any other movie they were planning on making. It legit does not matter. The film makers never keep track.

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[–] bozo_500 (12162) 5 years ago

interesting

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