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'Dark Phoenix' Filmmaker Simon Kinberg on Its Box Office Failure: "That's on Me"


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dark-phoenix-director-opens-up-his-box-office-bomb-1218485

Kinberg was asked if reports of Singer's alleged misconduct had hit his radar and if he simply decided it wasn't his business back then.

"Not my business. Not something that I saw on set or in the workplace. Otherwise I would have felt like it was my business," said Kinberg.

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Director Simon Kinberg on the dark fate of ‘Dark Phoenix (Interview Starts at 9 minutes on the podcast)

https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-business

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/c0pyut/in_a_surprising_interview_simon_kinberg_the/

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So he comes clean after trying to shift blame on Fox didn’t pan out? Brave man. Let’s give him a medal.

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He never shifted the blame on Fox. Though they deserve a big chunk of the blame for axing the two-parter and editing the movie under 2 hours.

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sounds similar to JL .. the intended two parter gets made into one. Then the one gets extensive reshoots.

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He clearly blames them for the release shift which if the film was any good wouldn't matter. And his insistence on saying that an XMEN movie wasn't meant as a blockbuster after bathing in Disney's generous marketing campaign is laughable.

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And when has Xmen not been a summer blockbuster franchise? Lol

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I'm waiting for Pussy's response.

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Are seriously you’re arguing that good movies don’t flop at the box office? Secret Life of Pets 2, a sequel to a well-received film that made over 800 millions is doing half the numbers of its predecessor. Even Box Office experts are saying that the date matters.

Disney marketing campaign was at the very last minute and they didn’t have enough time to spread awareness. Deadline, the Hollywood Reporter, and Kinberg in the podcast said this.

Deadline’s report:


“This leads us to the mishap of Fox marketing. With the Disney-Fox merger looming, we understand they’ve been a mess, distracted, with a revolving door of execs. We heard this around the time that Alita came out, that the filmmakers were dealing with different people in different marketing meetings. Some folks inform us that ever since Marc Weinstock left Fox as the head of domestic marketing in November 2016 (he’s now over at Paramount), the studio has been challenged to event-ize their slate (i.e. War of the Planet of the Apes, Alita, Dark Phoenix, and even Widows, which played well with audiences. However, give credit where credit is due — Bohemian Rhapsody was a magnificent swan song for the studio).

I understand in meetings, some marketing execs didn’t even realize the release date changes on Dark Phoenix, and weren’t cognizant of the fact that the film was opening up against another franchise this weekend (i.e. Secret Life of Pets 2). Says one source, “They never brought it up in meetings that we were on the same date.” Another bashed the marketing materials: “Sophie Turner is a beautiful actress, and they never showed that in any of the marketing materials. Instead, they made her look like a zombie.”

Once the merger happened, there was little for Disney to do. Materials were already up at CinemaCon at the beginning of April days after the merger. We hear Disney tried to push Dark Phoenix through its vertical integration, i.e. Disney Channel, but they didn’t have enough time and were inheriting a film that already had bad buzz with its reshoots and release date changes.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/dark-phoenix-bombs-at-the-box-office-reasons-why-1202629749/


Hollywood Reporter said that awareness for the film was lower than any other X-Men film and even Rocketman was more known about.

“At the time, preparations for the Disney-Fox acquisition were in full swing. Marketing and publicity and distribution execs were either being forced out or had one eye on the door. "The campaign was muddled," says a former Fox executive. "Was this the final X-Men movie? Was it about a character going back? This movie just got lost."

An NRG tracking poll taken in May showed that Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios' rival superhero franchise, was rated higher than Dark Phoenix as a choice for moviegoers — and that's after Endgame had been playing in theaters for five weeks already. "Definite awareness never got a score over 75 on tracking," says one insider. "An X-Men movie had never been below 90."

"When definite awareness of Rocketman is higher than an X-Men movie, you know you're in strange territory," says another insider.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/we-were-wrong-behind-dark-phoenix-foxs-dismal-x-men-franchise-finale-plans-1216859

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And you know what, it's still gonna break even at least compared with this piece of shit.

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Weren’t you hating on this movie before it came out? I got a feeling you have not even seen it.

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Didn't need to. Knew how it'd pan out considering the 'talent' involved. I know shit when I see it compared with some people.

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Lol so what was the movie’s problem?

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From what I heard, a lot.

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A lot of them are not very valid. You would know that if you’ve seen it.

Lol some people didn’t realize a red herring when they see one.

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Or shitty film-making but that's on them I guess. ;)

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Joel Shumaker did the same but it took him like 10years (whenever the B&R special edition dvd came out with the commentary)

Kinburg has done it after 10 days!!

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who's Joel Shumaker? and what did he do?

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When Warner Brothers had the Tim Burton Batman movies, Joel Schumacher came along and pretty much drove a stake in the franchise. He was behind Batman and Robin which is probably the worst Batman movie ever made, even worse than the old Adam West Batman movie. I think it is probably one of the lowest ranking movies to ever be given a big marketing push. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 11% which is probably still being generous.

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Kinda unfair to Schumacher though. Yes--the movie was bad. But after the somewhat successful Batman Forever they rushed the hell out of its followup. B&R was the result. Thats on Warner Bros way more than its on Schumacher. And on top of all that was Arnold's heart problem. If I was Schumacher I would've fought the criticism even harder. He probably caved in because after 10 years it didn't matter any more.

Contrast that with Kinberg's situation with Dark Phoenix. It actually got a later release date than originally scheduled. Yeah the ending was a mess. But the beginning and middle didn't do much either. Still a better movie than schlocky B&R. But there was no reason why it shouldn't be.

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Batman and Robin should be looked back on now much more favorably

Schumacher gave us a "so bad it's good" gem. Super cheesy and ridiculous, with horrible casting choices in Clooney and Schwarzenegger. But funny as hell and visually unique. It's like a weird homoerotic acid trip

Plus it unintentionally led to us having the awesome Nolan trilogy. if Batman and Robin hadn't bombed so badly then WB would never have given so much control and creative freedom to an unproven filmmaker like Nolan

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That's quite true had B&R been abit more successful and more favourably reviewed WB wouldv gone ahead with another sequel or 2 with Clooney and possibly no Nolan (maybe theyd have still rebooted after a couple or more with Clooney but would it have been as Batman Begins with Nolan? Or if not as as good/dark as that? Who knows.. maybe whatever reboot would've been even better/noirish had someone else done it!)

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