First Disney Marvel Film Flops
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this is not a Disney Marvel film. You Dumbo!!
shareDisney bought it, they own it
shareHis movie was being developed under 20th century fox before the buyout
shareIt may have started under Fox, but it was completed and signed off on by Disney. It is by that fact, a Disney film. If Disney thought it had problems they would have pulled it, had things reshot or scrapped it altogether... but apparently they were happy enough with it to push it on out. So if it tanks, it is a Disney disaster.... Not that anyone at Disney will get fired for it because they will just say it was a Fox disaster, but the reality is Disney controlled the final product for better or worse.
shareDude, I'm very critical with Disney, and in my opinion it's quite likely that they have developed some method to fake box office numbers, because the result some of their SJW movies and the decisions after them (like in the Captain Marvel case) don't make any sense.
BUT you can't blame Disney for that. You can't fix a movie last minute. And you need time to control a hierarchy and to place people you trust. This was included in the pack, so it's their problem (since they own Fox now), but it's not their responsibility.
No they didn't, don't be stupid
shareNice troll post , Disney had dick all to do with this movie , Disney doesn't make star wars or marvel, they distribute the movies and help finance them , Lucasfilm and marvel studios create the movies , check your shit.
sharethis wasn't a marvel studios Kevin Feige production but maybe the Dark Phoenix story arch is cursed but i wonder if Disney messed up the movie so when the X-Men move to Marvel Studios people wont be upset when we don't get Marvel X-Men movies except maybe one and they're reserved for background characters and Team up movies.
shareApocalypse made 27% less than Days of Future Past. It wasn't a very good movie and wasn't very memorable, especially coming in a month after Captain America: Civil War that was praised for it's action, performances and screenplay. Kinberg's Apocalypse script was a dud and the film brought nothing new to the table and obviously didn't get people excited for more X-Men movies.
Logan and Deadpool were successful because they brought something new to the table. Even from the trailers Dark Phoenix never looked very exciting and it turns out the film is also bland and boring like Apocalypse. Disney should have cancelled Dark Phoenix because it's just continued damage to the X-Men film rights at this point.
They couldn’t cancel the movie. That is not how the film industry.
And people were calling it boring because Jean didn’t become a villain like it was marketed(misleadingly), which was the point of the story. That is not exactly a fair criticism if you ask me.
Yes, unfortunately that's not how it works, but when a movie like this sucks it will do damage to the franchise and could potentially make people less interested in a reboot down the line.
I thought the movie was boring for a number of reasons. The story was dull and repetitive, the action is bland and the characters are just wasted. This and Apocalypse brought nothing new to the table for me and they go down as dull and forgettable. I wish I'd liked this and Apocalypse but I'm disappointed by both films, especially considering the quality of the two great X-Men films that preceded them.
How was the story repetitive? Jean never becomes the psycho murder that kills people for no reasons that we saw in The Last Stand.
shareIt repeated some of the same mistakes that The Last Stand did.
In the comics Jean initially uses the power of the Phoenix for good and then is corrupted which makes it a compelling tragedy. This and Last Stand both just show the downfall.
Xavier tampered with her mind again (this didn’t happen in the comics) just like in The Last Stand. There’s another house fight. Magneto and Charles try and talk some sense into her and she lifts her hand and throws them about, it’s all dull and derivative stuff in my opinion.
It even can’t keep continuity with Apocalypse seeing as Jean uses the Phoenix power to vanquish Apocalypse, Kinberg is contradicting his own writing.
Honestly this should have been 2 movies taking place shortly after Apocalypse. If we don’t see Jean use the Phoenix power for good and only show it corrupting it completely misses the fundamental tragedy to this story.
I’m glad you enjoyed the movie but for me it was a mess and another failure to the Dark Phoenix story from a first time director who clearly wasn’t ready to be handed a $200 million movie. Kinberg just doesn’t have any grasp on the source material because the Dark Phoenix saga is absolutely a story for the big screen, just not in the way he’s poorly attempted to adapt it.
Not saying you have to like the movie but in the comics Jean was being corrupted by the power four issues after she became Phoenix. Her becoming Dark Phoenix was just the final stage. Here is the panel to prove it:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-1963/Issue-105?id=22735&readType=0
Xavier tampering her mind and leading to the events of Dark Phoenix also happened. Though not in the same way. He unleashed her psychic powers that caused her to be Dark Phoenix. He also tried to talk some sense into her. Panel:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-1963/Issue-136?id=22810&readType=0#15
The house fight also happened in the comic version. Panels:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-1963/Issue-136?id=22810&readType=0#15
Magneto neither X3 or Dark Phoenix tried to talk some sense into Jean. In X3 he tried to use her as a weapon and in Dark Phoenix he tried to kill her.
As for the “Phoenix” showing up in Apocalypse. That was just Jean’s mutant power and not a cosmic entity, according to the film and the filmmakers. To refresh your memory:
https://old.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/c8n6gj/there_was_no_phoenix_force_in_xmen_apocalypsehear/
This movie was going to be a two-parter but Fox axed that plan in late production and condensed it into one film.
That’s fair that it’s in the comics but it’s still derivative of what happened in The Last Stand.
Honestly this was Sophie Turner’s second (and now last) X-Men movie. In my opinion they had no way tackled the groundwork and character development to do the Dark Phoenix saga justice. We just don’t care about this version of the character enough for this epic tragedy to suddenly happen.
This is why the MCU is so good, it takes the time to get you to care for the heroes. With this they just skip ahead 10 years between films cus character development is difficult for Kinberg. They even teased Mister Sinister at the end of Apocalypse, yet Kinberg couldn’t wait to take another crack at the Dark Phoenix saga.
This is a great X-Men story, one of the best ones I’ve read in fact but you have to place it correctly in a cinematic universe. Zack Snyder loves The Dark Knight Returns, as do we all but it was a terrible idea having that as a inspiration for only your second film in a cinematic universe.
I will say the train fight was pretty good though and McAvoy and Fassbender own their roles but I honestly struggle to say anything else positive about this film.
To be fair, Jean’s arc in this movie isn’t like her comic counterpart’s. Mystique is the one given the tragic fate and she has been developed for three movies. She was given Jean’s funeral scene from the comics. Comparison:
https://imgur.com/cWvZM6b
This movie is about finishing Jean’s character arc that was set up in Apocalypse. In that movie she was a hopeless girl that believes that she will never control her powers, will hurt people, and destroy the world. Xavier tells her that he also couldn’t control his powers at one point, referring the events of Days of Future Past where he couldn’t stop himself from hearing the thoughts of others and feeling their pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhflCaWDYc
In Dark Phoenix Jean’s nightmare seemly becomes a reality as she becomes one with a world destroying force and loses control of her powers. Resulting in her hurting Scott, then founds out that she caused her mother’s death when her power first manifested, and then kills Mystique. It seems hopeless and she is just about to give into her destiny. But after seeing that Charles truly had hope in her controlling her powers and still does, she starts to have hope in herself which allows her to use her emotional pain to empower herself take control of her powers and her destiny as she doesn’t destroy the world.
Jean’s arc is instead like Charles’ arc in DOFP where having hope allowed him to turn his emotional pain into make him stronger. The opening narration of Dark Phoenix is basically the same as DOFP.
https://old.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/c9wjwi/did_anybody_else_notice_how_dark_phoenix/
According to Simon Kinberg back in May this movie is suppose to connect to Days of Future Past and it’s ending. So I think it’s safe to say that it was intentional.
https://screenrant.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-days-future-past-connect-director/
The Sinister tease was for Logan but he was cut from the film.