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The Dark Phoenix storyline has got to be cursed, plain and simple


No they can't just make an "okay" movie based on this saga, its got to suck JUST hard enough to leave a poor taste in people's mouths
What's the deal here? Growing up, I barely read X-Men comics, but you couldn't get away from the Dark Phoenix story...it was one of the most compelling in comic book history up to that point. And I could see the movies not being as amazing as they could have been, but to be as bad as these have been?

What happened...anyone know?

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No, the common denominator here is Fox

They don't know how to adapt the Dark Phoenix story, just like they don't know how to make a good Fantastic Four movie. Just like they don't know how to make a good X-Men movie that doesn't over rely on Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, or most baffling of all, Mystique

Lots of the X-Men characters have 2-4 versions, all played by different actors and behaving in different ways. Sabretooth, Caliban, Angel, Emma Frost, Mystique, Juggernaut, etc. Fox just generally no idea what the hell it's doing half the time

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They push Mystique so hard because J-law was fresh off the hunger games.

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you are right. The Dark Phoenix storyline is cursed.

I saw pics of the original Dark Phoenix storyline that they were going to use for the movie. it looks so awesome.

also I saw Jean Grey original Dark Phoenix form and it looks awesome. she looks like captain marvel.

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I think the problem is the story is the comics was never meant to be told in a 2 hour movie. Unlike DOFP or any of the other comics, the Phoenix Saga wasn't a singular "event" one-issue story, but an ongoing saga that evolved and spanned a long time, and would go dormant but resurface as an ongoing problem from time to time.


It would work well as a TV miniseries, perhaps. The X-Men animated series did a decent job adapting it into two seperate episode-arcs, "The Phoenix Saga" and "The Dark Phoenix Saga"



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The Dark Phoenix storyline was a long, drawn out storyline that lasted months in the comics, and doesn't make any sense unless you see the Phoenix saga to begin with, since it is a sequel to that story. Other adaptations, like Days of Future Past, were "one off" events like lasted like 2-3 issues tops.

In short, it does not and will never work as a two-hour movie adaptation. The storyline is best suited for a TV miniseries.

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Ah yup, there it is.
It was actually palpable, watching the movie...when just a few minutes in, they're out in space, having found some giant anomaly and Phoenix is suddenly absorbing it or whatever. It seemed like it'd escalated so fast that I must have missed something...way too much too soon and it had me turning off the movie for something else. Got bored a week or so later, checked it out again and...yeah, just jumped right into it...felt rushed and weird.

Yup, you nailed it. Goddang...here's to hoping for a miniseries at some point. At LEAST a two-part movie...or even incorporate it into the X-Men saga in general...throughout several of their movies, but...probably too late at this point...can't undo what's been done =P

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To be fair, the original X2 set up the beginning of the Phoenix Saga.

Apocalypse seemed to be hinting at the Phoenix Force but for some reason, they ignored that in this movie.

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They didn’t ignore that movie.

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They did. Jean had the Phoenix in Apocalypse and there was this setup about her inner-power. None of that plays out in this movie. She is at her normal power level at the start with no reference to Apocalypse. Then she gets the Pheonix Force in space.

Something similar happened in Days of Future Past. That movie ended with Mystique kidnapping Wolverine disguised as Stryker. In the next movie, none of that is referenced.

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Back in 2017 Simon Kinberg told Entertainment Weekly that the solar flare had unlocked the full power of the Phoenix Force that was inside of Jean.

The cosmic energy is never once referred to as the Phoenix Force in the movie.

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So what is the cosmic energy if it isn't the Phoenix Force?

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The spark that created the universe according to the movie.

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And what does it do that Jean couldn't do? Seemed like she was doing all the stuff we saw in X3 and the end of Apocalypse.

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When did she have regenerative abilities?

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Did she ever? If you're asking about her ability to come back to life, the original timeline had her doing just that, so I assume that power is present somewhere in this timeline.

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It was explained that Jean created a force field to protect herself from the flood. Jean gets impaled at the end of this movie and heals herself.

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She wasn't impaled in this movie. They flew into space and there was an explosion.

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Oh, she was.

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Did you watch the movie? Because Jean didn’t become the Dark Phoenix. It only teased at her becoming the Dark Phoenix for a future film.

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I was a regular comics reader back then and though I enjoyed the story arc, it was over inflated by people in general due to the ideas being put forward rather than the writing itself. It was not really that good to begin with. Hero becomes too powerful, loses control, destroys entire populated planets, goes on trial, moral dilemmas. Good ideas. Not so great in the reading. Even worse in the movies.

I have enjoyed many Xmen comics but much of their "greats" are shabby in my book. Apocalypse being chief among the shit that is somehow popular.

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Casting fucked up and everything went downhill from there

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Have you read the saga? Because Jean didn’t even become the Dark Phoenix I’m the movie. They only hint at her becoming the Dark Phoenix at the very end for a future movie that won’t happen now.

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Yes. They didn't followed the way Marvel Studios builds up individual stories and then puts them all together to make a team story. I would have liked to see the way Bryan Singer would have handled the Dark Phoenix Saga, but, sadly, he went off to make the lackluster Superman Returns. But, he did come back to show that he knows the X-Men with the incredible Days Of Future Past.

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The X-Men are not a crossover like the Avengers.

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