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Conspiracy Shmonspiracy! There's no such bullcrap, the X-Men movies have always been a poor distant second to the MCU. I'd even say that the DCEU beats them!

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The MCU wouldn’t even exist with the X-Men films.

Stay in school, junior...

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Rubbish, they would've been made eventually. And the MCU is more appealing anyway, all the X-Men have to offer is unnatural mutations.

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Without the X-Men films, Kevin Feige would never have had a job. His career with Marvel began as an associate producer on X-Men 1.

Great logic, dude. You clearly know your stuff...

LOL!

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Who said anything about Feig? I just said that there would be a cinematic universe of, or at least a whole bunch of, Marvel superhero movies, in spite of X-Men.

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Now you’re saying Kevin Feige had nothing to do with the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

And that an series of unconnected Marvel films is still a “cinematic universe”?

Wtf...

LOLOLOL!

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First he says Marvel sabotaged the movie. But then he defends how good it is. This idiot is a troll.

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Meh Fox sabotaged their own franchise with a string of sh*itty films that break continuity RIP

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Interesting. You got a source?

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Can you prove this or are you just incredibly butthurt the film sucks and marvel is superior?

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Imagine being such a beta that you refer to a multinational corporation as “superior”...

In your dreams, do you squeal like a piggy when Walt Disney flies through your bedroom window and sticks you, furiouslycryingstyles?

LOLOLOL

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Guy, im not the one starting a thread titled "Marvel Studios sabotaged this film", hahahahaha dumb ass

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My thread is totally irrelevant to you worshipping that Walt Disney D.

Tip: try not to use “butthurt”, “dumbass” or another reference to a male posterior in your next attempt at a comeback.

No homo, it makes you sound like even more of a beta.

LOL!

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I don't worship Disney, it is you that appears to worship non Disney properties , hence the creation of this ghastly thread.

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I don’t worship Disney, it is you that appears to worship...


FYI, “no, you are” isn’t exactly a savage burn, either, bro.

LOL

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"LOL" what are you , 10 years old , beat it kid and take the tears with you.

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Now you’re fantasizing that I’m a child that you want to “beat it”?

Maybe you should have stuck with “no, you are” and talking about men’s backsides...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Praising Marvel Studios is not the same thing as praising Disney. Marvel Studios didn't even need Disney. Disney needed Marvel. The secret to Marvel's success is that Disney keeps their execs away from it. They bought the whole thing but they knew not to interfere with it.

We get it. You're pissed off at Disney. Thats the whole reason you started this thread. But the fact remains. You're an idiot.

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“Marvel Studios didn't even need Disney. Disney needed Marvel”


wtf...

LOL!!!

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This movie was doomed to fail from the start. We need to know more about Sophie Turner’s version of Jean Grey to care before they try and pull off the Dark Phoenix saga and seeing as she only had one X-Men movie prior to this it hadn’t sufficiently laid the groundwork for her character development to tell her tragic end.

DC made the same mistake with Batman v Superman, it had them fight (even though we weren’t invested in these characters at this point) and it also killed Superman off in the same movie.

Can you imagine if the MCU released Iron Man and then followed it up with Civil War whilst also killing Iron Man in that movie? It would be cheap and hollow and rightfully panned.

The Dark Phoenix Saga had time to build up to in both the comics and the animated series, this is arguably the biggest X-Men story ever. The studios need to know this, that buildup and payoff takes time.

Even Days of Future Past, a solid movie definitely feels like a franchise capper for the X-Men and Matthew Vaughn has said recently that it should have been the end of it all and not the film after First Class. They need to plans these movies out years ahead of time and not just attempt to adapt big stories that they think will make them easy money.

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No.

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Are you blaming Marvel Studios for X-Men: Apocalypse as well cus that movie sucked as well and that was long before Disney’s acquisition of Fox. It critically and financially underperformed. Who wrote it? Simon Kinberg.

Also Dark Phoenix was screen testing poorly as far back as early 2018 when it had it’s original ending with the aliens (who weren’t even called Skrulls even back then according to leaks.) Again all Kinberg.

Having seen the film the first half is the better half and most consistent, but it’s still poorly written by Kinberg. Even if they had to change the ending because of Disney meddling/Captain Marvel the rest of the movie is still rather terrible and that’s down to Simon Kinberg.

Fox made some good X-Men movies but they’ve also made some crap as well and this was crap before the reshot ending.






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Not really.

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He's a complete moron. First he says its bad because of Disney's interference. Then he defends how good it is because its not made by Disney.

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Probably. Wasn't the Skrulls one of the things both studios had access to from the comics?

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The Skrulls were part of the Fantastic Four package that Fox held the rights to, along with the rights to the enormous catalogue of X-Men.

For a while there was some kind of vague agreement in place where Fox could loan out character Z if Marvel Studios could use character Y, and so on.

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The Shi'ar would've made a lot more sense than the Skrulls. More proof that Kinberg didn't know what he was doing. He wanted Skrulls and a space battle instead of a compelling story with realistic character motivations. Throughout the movie Jean is claiming she wants help controlling her power while simultaneously running from Xavier who is the one person that can help her control her power. A couple of the X-Men get angry at her for killing Raven instead of the X-Men fighting against her to prevent her from destroying the world. This movie is derp on top of derp.

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The Skrulls were also part of the Dark Phoenix Saga in the comics. The Shi’ar Imperal Guard would have blown out the budget. They also would have stomped these young X-Men.

Jean is running from Xavier because he lied to her for her entire life, manipulated her into almost dying in space, and so on.

Jean wants to destroy the world? What?

Have you even seen this movie, bro?

LOL

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Skrulls were such a tiny part of the saga. There was no reason to put them in over any other empire. They spent $200 million on this movie. The MCU spent about $40 million less on Captain Marvel and had a Kree homeworld. Like wtf? The whole movie wouldn't have taken place there. lol.

Kinberg didn't know what he wanted Jean to do. So he had her run from Xavier to see her dad. lol. Thats the "Dark" Phoenix that we got.

In the saga. Not the movie. The X-Men fought her because she was too powerful to exist. In the movie a couple X-Men fought her because she killed J Law. Then the Chastain-Skrull subplot thing that everyone agrees didn't need to be there. Its derp on top of derp.

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Kinberg didn't know what he wanted Jean to do. So he had her run from Xavier to see her dad.


Xavier literally says that the mental blocks he put in Jean’s mind to control her powers and repress her trauma are crumbling. That is how she finds out her father is alive.

You would know this if you had seen the film you are complaining about.

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How does me mentioning who the writer/director of the stupid plot point equate to me not seeing the movie or knowing it happened?

Wtf is wrong with you?

Jean becoming Dark Phoenix because she learns her father is alive is utter trash. Yet here you are defending it. Why? Because its not Disney? But you also believe the movie is bad because of Disney's interference?

You have issues.

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how does me mentioning who the writer/director of the plot point equate to me not knowing the movie or knowing it happened?


I have no idea what you are trying to say.

LOL!

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Yes you do. You are pretending not to because you've hit a wall in your argument.

Obvious troll is obvious.

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