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This movie will flop. Sophie Turner is not lead actress material


She is really not good. She was only passable as Sansa on Game of Thrones but that's an ensemble show with other actors helping carry the weight. Sophie as the lead of a movie? Yeah that won't work out. She just doesn't have the tools or talent to succeed in that spot.

Big mistake in making her the lead and giving her a solo film. They will pay dearly for it.

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It doesn't help but just reading that leak about the ending, this was gonna bomb even if they had someone more competent in the lead. Kinberg gave XMen fans the finger yet again.

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Actually, he didn’t. Fox did.

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Yeah, by rehiring Kinberg.

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No, by axing the two-parter plan right before filming.

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This could had been a trilogy and it still would had been doomed.

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Perhaps. We’ll never know.

But Fox was definitely the reason why Jessica Chastain was wasted, who originally signed up as Lilandra.

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Kinberg, the guy who took over the reigns of F4ntastic Four after firing Josh Trank, and turned in an inconsistent dud. And then tried to pawn off all the blame onto Trank and got him blacklisted and fired from the Boba Fett movie

Kinberg, the dude who wrote the brilliant script for Best Picture winner X-Men: Apocalypse

Kinberg, who wrote, directed, and produced Dark Phoenix, and is yet again trying to shift the blame onto others, probably through the use of his publicists

The guy is a hack. A loser. He wants to be Kevin Feige. If it weren't for Matthew Vaughan's contributions to DoFP then Kinberg would have been exposed as a terrible writer long ago. He's just a producer who think's he's multi-talented

Stop defending this fucking guy. He's had enough chances to prove himself and has failed consistently

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Kinberg, the guy who took over the reigns of F4ntastic Four after firing Josh Trank, and turned in an inconsistent dud. And then tried to pawn off all the blame onto Trank and got him blacklisted and fired from the Boba Fett movie

Kinberg, the dude who wrote the brilliant script for Best Picture winner X-Men: Apocalypse


There are rumors that he did the same with DOFP when Singer went AWOL.

And there were several writers on Apocalypse. Not sure why you are lying about him being sole writer.

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You're trying to imply that Kinberg deserves credit for the quality of DoFP, but conveniently don't address the fact that F4ntastic Four was shit

Several writers? Well he is the sole credited writer, so he deserves the blame. Maybe you looked up the movie on IMDB and saw that there were other credits, but story credit and screenplay credit are not the same thing. That is why they separate them, because the person who actually writes the thing gets more prestige (unless it sucks, like Apocalypse). Helping with a story does not make you a writer, otherwise any jackass who went up to a published author and said "Hey, I have a cool idea for a story" could call themselves a writer. Obviously that's an extreme example, but another example is that a story credit does not qualify you for the Best Original/Adapted screenplay awards in the Oscars. Sitting around brainstorming story ideas is far different from sitting in front of a computer and coming up with actual lines of dialogue, those little things that actually bring the characters to life and make the audience care about them. So no, I wasn't lying, you just have no clue what you're talking about

And even if he had help, his work from before sucks too. The xXx sequel, X Men: Last Stand (LOLOL he fucked up Dark Phoenix TWICE!) Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Jumper, This Means War, Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. Blegh. His resume screams mediocrity

I can see you are intent on defending him. Don't care if you do, but it wasn't just the studio's fault that this movie sucked. You can keep telling yourself that corporate suits meddled with an artist's vision, but the truth is that Kinberg is just mediocre at what he does

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No, I’m implying that just because he directed parts of the movie doesn’t mean he is the main reason why it sucked. If we go by your reasoning then he is responsible for DOFP’s success. The legendary Richard Donner also directed finished X-Men Origins: Wolverine, is he solely responsible for that disaster?

Actually, there was some pretty good dialogue for the character of Apocalypse(You can fire your arrows from the Tower of Babel, you will never STRIKE GOD!). Dialogue was the least of that movie’s problems. The unfocused story, action, effects, pacing, and direction were far bigger problems. Same with those other films you mentioned(many of which he was just co-wroter). Its fallacious to say that the problem with those films solely rested on writing and not the various other things they were criticized for.

And Kinberg was just a co-writer on X3 and Dark Phoenix’s production was chaotic. You know Jessica Chastain signed up to be Lilandra when the movie was a two-parter?

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/dark-phoenix-had-a-very-chaotic-production.2463545/

Btw, I liked Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

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i agree, she got the part of sansa as a teenager, not a lot of competition then, now that she is an adult, there are better actors her age.

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It turns out you are right

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Very true. She was boring as hell on Game of Thrones, not to mention boring to look at. I have no idea why a studio would trust her in the lead role of a film like this when there’s so much money on the line.

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She is actually good in the movie.

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Even so, she doesn’t have the “it” factor that makes her a bankable blockbuster lead.

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Told you.

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You were right that it flopped, but in my opinion that was in no way Sophie Turner’s fault.
It would’ve flopped with any other lead actress, too.

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OP was correct. Sophie Turner is not capable of carrying a film, poor actress.

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