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MCU: 'we are the future charles..not fox.. they no longer matter'


this article got me thinking about the state of superhero movies and how MCU totally dominates everything now and its almost like theres no room for anything other than the amazing MCU..


The new trailer for Fox’s Dark Phoenix dropped this week, teasing what is likely to be the final installment in the studio’s long-running X-Men franchise ahead of the Disney/Fox merger that will push the characters under the control of Marvel Studios. As such, it should be a big deal, especially given that the trailer reveals the death of one of the long-standing characters of the franchise. And yet, response has been surprisingly muted.

Part of that could be put down to the general critical and fan malaise caused by the last entry in the series, 2016’s X-Men: Apocalypse. After 2014’s X-Men: Days of Future Past did the seemingly impossible and resurrected the franchise in fans’ hearts, the messy, overstuffed Apocalypse — only 48 percent on Rotten Tomatoes! — was the very definition of underwhelming, killing hopes of renewed momentum for the franchise immediately.

There’s also the fact that, as strange as it may seem for a series less than 20 years old, Dark Phoenix is…kind of a remake. 2006’s X-Men: The Last Stand was the first attempt to adapt Chris Claremont and John Byrne’s classic “Dark Phoenix Saga” comic book storyline for the screen and, as bad as that movie was — and it was — that was just 13 years ago. Perhaps it’s still too soon to ask audiences to return to this particular well.

Of course, there’s also the Elephant in the (Danger) Room: That, after this movie, the X-Men as a property will belong to Marvel…which, for much of the audience, means that they’ll finally “count” as a cinematic property for the first time.

That’s perhaps putting it too bluntly, but the expectation and excitement surrounding the possibility for a Marvel Studios X-Men movie — and for the characters to coexist with their comic book brethren like the Avengers, Captain Marvel, Black Panther et al — is such that it potentially overshadows Dark Phoenix’s release (and also New Mutants, the other Fox mutant movie that appears to be in limbo currently). It’s a strange phenomenon, but one that we’ve seen a version of before; consider the excitement that followed the news that Spider-Man was going to debut in the Marvel Cinematic Universe with 2016’s Captain America: Civil War. By that point, the character had appeared in five solo movies from Sony, but the reaction from the fan base was as if no one had ever seen Peter Parker on the big screen before.

That reaction only grew when Tom Holland first appeared in a trailer for the movie, with many reacting as if this had been the Spider-Man they’d been waiting for their entire lives; it underscored an unspoken attitude seemingly held by a lot of people — that only Marvel Studios understands how to do movie super heroics “right.”

It’s worth noting that the live-action superhero movies that have really broken through with mainstream audiences outside of Marvel Studios' output are ones that offer something Marvel purposefully doesn’t: R-rated stories (Deadpool and Logan), female leads (Wonder Woman) or absolutely ridiculous camp horror (Venom). Only Aquaman is a non-Marvel movie that hews to the Marvel formula and has found sizable success with audiences.

The prospect, then, of Marvel’s X-Men movie is obviously going to be something that audiences are impatient for; given the Spider-Man experience, what’s lying in wait is something that’s going to be worth the wait and fulfill fanboy dreams in a way that previous movies haven’t. And, when all that’s between now and that promised land is the final installment of a series that didn’t excite too many people last time and is a story that they’ve seen already…. Well, perhaps it’s not that surprising that Dark Phoenix is failing to ignite excitement, after all.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-dark-phoenix-is-failing-inspire-excitement-1191502?


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when it talks about XM not really 'counting' until it goes to MCU (like spiderman) it sort of sums up that feel of whats happened ...like nothing matters now unless its part of MCU (even DCU has struggled seemingly because its ..just not MCU..which led WB to retool JL into something it wasn't.. 'MCUifying' it.. however the success of WW and now AM has seemingly levelled the playing field)...

yet its XMEN that really stated this current wave of big budget successful Marvel superhero movies in 2000.. (ok there was Blade in 1998 but that was more promoted as an Wesley Snipes action horror movie that just so happened to be based on a Marvel comic) which led to the massive Avengers like box office success of Spiderman in 02. and then X2 in 03 was at the time considered something like Superman II, Aliens, T2 in being that vastly superior sequel to the already good original. ok they dropped the ball with Singer not completing the trilogy but X3 was still the biggest of the 3 films, then obviously XM Origins: Wolverine dropped it further before the series righted itself with the Star Trek 2009 inspired prequel/'reboot' of First Class in 2011 which paved the way for the near Avengers level crossover event of DOFP..before the goodwill was deflated by Apocalypse (in a similar way to the previous 3rd X movie) yet it still made over 500m... b4 'Logan' blew everyone away (and of course both Deadpools were huge events and bigger than any XMs )... and now Dark Phoenix which social media is moaning about as waah its a remake of Last Stand! and fuck it will creepy Singers FoXverse just die already so XM can go MCU!!..

anyway all of that paved the way for MCU. its like XM gave birth to all that Marvel Cinema of Spidermans and MCU who went off to create these huge franchises bigger than XMen...while XMen itself continued its merry way existing in its own reality (just mutants no Iron Man etc).. but everyone is now like just waiting to turn off the FoXverse machine so XMen can finally be part of MCU and we can finally have the proper correct versions of Wolverine, Prof X , Magneto etc (like anyone is gonna come close to Jackman, Stewart/McAvoy, Mckellan/Fassbender) .. its almost similar to that line in Fassbenders other franchise 'dosnt everyone want their parents dead..'

MCU would be better off keeping the FoXverse versions and integrating them into MCU via alternate universe stuff (since MCU is heading that way anyway) that way you could have Jackman, McAvoy, Fassbender etc in MCU (they probably should've done that with spiderman but don't think anyone was that fussed on Garfield) whilst XMen could still exist unto itself in its own more adult universe

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Jackman is too old to play Wolverine these days. As awesome as Jackman is, we need a younger version to play him in the future.

Besides, Logan was such a great send-off to Jackman's Wolverine that it would be cheapened if he shows up in future movies.

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I agree 99%.

I would still have a geekgasm if I saw Jackman, claws extended, face off against the Hulk.

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I would definitely prefer that the FF get incorporated into the MCU "proper" and have the X-Men be on an alternate Earth. I've felt that way for 40 years. Marvel will never get me to understand why Ben Grimm can walk down Park Avenue and have people cheer him on (now....in his early days not even close) but Jean Grey has rocks and bottles thrown at her.

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Yeah, mutant hate never made sense in the broader Marvel Universe. I think some writers have hand waved it as mutants representing the next stage of human evolution, meaning homo-sapien will be wiped out and that scares a lot of people (as opposed to someone like The Thing or Spider-Man who are just as human as everyone else, they just got mutated by some radiation). The problem with that is, how many people on the street know how Spidey got his powers? There was at least one back-up story in an annual where J Jonah Jameson wondered if he was a mutant among other possible origins.

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Exactly!

Would the X-Men have been lauded as heroes if in their first adventure they did an interview and Scott said "I invented this visor that shoots concussive beams", Warren had said "I came from the same place as the Red Raven from the 40's" and so on?


You'd think the MU would be more freaked out over Thor or Hercules. Can you imagine what that did to organized religion?

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Well, Marvel isn't gonna be ballsy enough to tackle religion and I don't blame them.

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Marvel Studios is good at making movies for children. Considering that a large majority of current society's population is infantalized 30+ year old gamers, Marvel movies will find a greater audience.

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Silly article. The reason that the X-Men "no longer matter" is that their recent films have been lame!

Okay, "DOFP" was decent, the rest all sucked.

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