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I think i've figured out who The Kid/Bill Skarsgard is

posted 6 years ago by Mister Babadook (2623)
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I think he's the real Henry Deaver.

Cause one of the the paintings from the Warden's basement had him wearing the same shirt Henry was wearing in the missing poster and its signed 1991 the year Henry was missing. The Kid starts telling Molly all about her childhood and says he knows cause he was there, and in a previous episode he was playing the same piano song from Henry's dads church service that we saw Henry at in a flashback.

Plus when we first meet The Kid he does infact say his name is Henry Deaver when the new Warden asks what his name is.

Maybe The Kid/Bill Skarsgard was some innocent by standard in 1991 who stumbled upon Henry when he was kidnapped in the basement, and maybe Henry's soul got swapped into his body thus causing it to stop aging.

Cause in a quick glimpse from Henry's head while he's in The Filter it shows Bill Skarsgard in a suit with his hair combed back walking down into a basement and turning around and screaming. Now i'm thinking Bill Skarsgard was a lawyer back in 1991, which is why Henry is a lawyer in current day cause Bill Skarsgard/The Kid got put into his body back in 1991.

But i'm sure you're asking, whats the deal with The Kid/Bill Skarsgard's powers to bring out everyones pain and cause death? Maybe the real Henry was evil or had some evil power to bring out peoples suffering, which is why he was kidnapped in the first place back in 1991 and why his dad was probably being told by god his son is evil. Henry's dad did tell Pangborn his son pushed him and caused his accident.

I'm sure theres a reason why it didn't show who was in the trunk in the flashback where Pangborn opened the Warden's trunk when he pulled him over. I'm thinking in reality it was little Henry as a kid but to Pangborn it looked like Bill Skarsgard. Perhaps that was after the body swap and The Warden was moving him to the prison basement.

I'm not sure all those facts add up but i just know the general twist is gonna be The Kid is Henry from back when he was a little boy in 1991, he hasn't aged a day since he was kidnapped, he's in an older body but his mind is still that of a kids which is why The Kid acts so weird and childlike almost.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

That's an interesting theory but I don't buy it. I do think Henry and The Kid have a connection but I don't think that's it. For one thing, when we first meet The Kid, he says the name Henry Deaver because Lacy (in a flashback) told him to ask for Deaver prior to killing himself. He was very specific about that. It wasn't The Kid's intention to assume Deaver's identity when he said that. And second, it doesn't really explain why The Kid was behaving a lot like Ruth's dead husband in the episode where she killed Pangborn accidentally.

But most importantly, The Kid being Henry doesn't really explain anything about him. Why is he an ageless immortal? Why does he seem to be a 'Typhoid Mary' of empathic projection? How does that factor into the schisma? And is the schisma a literal multiverse or some convoluted metaphor? As to the question of evil...young Henry did not come across as being particularly evil and really, neither does The Kid. I'd agree that The Kid seems to be a conduit for malevolence but that feels incidental to what he is, rather than being deliberate acts of wanton maliciousness. I don't know. I find this show intriguing yet frustrating. They just keep piling on the mystery box and with 2 episodes to go, I'll be impressed if its resolved in any satisfying way.

I concur with this article: https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3518727/editorial-probably-time-castle-rock-actually-start-answering-questions-yeah/

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

The Warden told him to ask for Deaver, but The Kid told them HE WAS Deaver, and i think the intention was to throw you off so when he told them that we'd assume "Oh well its because the Warden told him to ask for Henry" not because he actually is Henry.

How would he know everything about Molly and Henry's childhood stuff if he wasn't him? As for the ageless part, i dunno perhaps its the side effect of whatever caused them to swap bodies. And as for him acting like her husband i assume he was just fucking with her cause he knew her mind was bad and he was taking advantage of it.

[–] exatera (3942) 6 years ago

When did the kid tell anybody that?

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

Episode 1, 19-minute mark. But I'm of the opinion that he wasn't telling the warden that that was his name. Especially since he did not say that directly following "what's your name?" She asked more questions after that before he said "Henry Deaver".

[–] exatera (3942) 6 years ago

I remember that scene, and it didn't sound to me like he was claiming to be Henry Deaver, either.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

I just watched the scene again and after she says "what's your name?" then she says "Can you hear me, have we checked out his ears? Are we playing some kind of fucking charades here?" and then he quietly says "Henry Deaver." Immediately following that, the guard both recognizes the name and misinterprets that to mean that The Kid was stating that to be his name. I suppose you can take his statement as one to fit your theory but it's just as possible if not more likely that he was asking for Deaver as instructed by Lacy.

So I still don't buy this. And since it has had such a grand buildup, I am going to assume that the answers regarding The Kid are going to fit together in a way where the explanation fits the rest of the puzzle. Agelessness being a "side effect of whatever caused them to swap bodies" and acting like her husband "just to fuck with her" sounds like messy copout answers best suited to a show like the X-Files rather than a short, self-contained, 10-episode mystery series. But that's just my opinion. I'm guessing we'll get something definitive in the next episode since it is titled, Henry Deaver.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

Ok, I concede. The primary point of your prediction was correct. But at least I was right about one thing too...that I would be underwhelmed by the reveal. Given the slow ass buildup, that was pretty weak sauce.

Prediction for episode 10: As for why people go nuts around him (and young black HD in the alt. reality)? I think that's just a side-effect of crossing into an alternate universe. Like nature's way of saying you don't belong there. I also think the scene where Skarsgard is seeing different people in different eras while he was transitioning in the woods was meant to imply that the various Stephen King stories exist in the same town, but an alternate universe. How clever *I say sarcastically*

So there we have it, a surprisingly simple explanation. I feel like this particular story could have been accomplished in 4 episodes or less.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Yeah i knew thats what it had to be, granted it was played out different than what i guessed but yeah my general point was that he was Henry Deaver.

But i feel like there wasn't anything they could have done that would been all that satisfying with the build up, seems like no matter what it was gonna disappoint. Cause i mean what could they have really done that would have been awesome and blown our minds? The Kid turns into Pennywise? lol other than that i'm not sure.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

I honestly don't know what they could have done either. The central mystery was the buildup surrounding the identity of the kid for 8 episodes. Conversely, the explanation shows that young Henry went through the same thing in another universe. And its actually done rather well in 1 episode. All I'm saying now is that I think this story could have been done in fewer episodes.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Yeah but we still got 1 more episode to go so maybe they'll do something awesome in it that'll make the buildup worth it.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

Here's hoping!

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

One thing that just occurred to me, what if The Kid was lying? The whole episode is being told by The Kid to Molly and at the end he asks "You do believe me don't you?". Cause there are a few holes in his story, like why didn't he just go back into the forest and go home when he was staying at Henry's house? instead he went inside and fucked with Ruth.

Same can be asked when he was staying at Molly's building in town, why didn't he go back into the woods then instead of going into some random house and watching a family at a kids birthday party? He's had multiple chances to go into the woods and try and go home and he hasn't done it.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

That's certainly possible. I just assumed he would need the other Henry to go back through the schisma. I thought he said he couldn't hear it himself. His interactions with Ruth make sense given their relationship in the other universe and I would guess that he's fairly traumatized by being in a cage for 27 years. Maybe it's Stockholm syndrome that led him to believe he was the actual devil. I seem to remember him praising Warden Lacy as a great man. Or maybe he was lying. It would certainly be an interesting narrative choice to dump all of this exposition explaining the mystery in the penultimate episode, only to do a complete 180 in the finale.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Also just look back at the season when Henry first came back to town, he shows no signs of having memories of ever being in that alternate reality, he meets grown up Molly and again shows no reaction of any kind of seeing her again. The Kid has all his memories of being in an alternate reality, yet Henry shows no evidence that he was in an alternate reality.

Like when Henry meets The Kid at the prison for the first time, again he shows no signs of having any memories of ever seeing him before, theres no reaction from him of surprise or a look of confusion.

Why is it The kid has all his memories of being in another reality, yet Henry has none of his?

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

I just assumed it was because Henry was a child and had repressed the memories because they were too traumatic. But I take your point. It's certainly possible that there's more to The Kid's story then he's letting on.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

On a related note: I'm guessing there is going to be a lot more surprises since I find it suspect that they haven't released a promo for the finale yet.

[–] Gastonian (946) 6 years ago

I just saw this on twitter: https://twitter.com/castlerockhulu/status/1038654340217487360

"The Kid's origins are out in the open, but should we believe him?"

So now the advertising is suggesting we should not believe him. You are quite adept at the predictions. I have to wonder if you have the inside track on this show.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Lol no i have no inside track on the show, just these hunches i get that are seemingly turning out to be right.

[–] exatera (3942) 6 years ago

Ha, who'd have thunk it, you were right.

But then that still doesn't explain a lot of things - like why did Lacy capture and imprison him, "The Kid" was a well-dressed articulate man, normal by any measure (as in, not attracting particular interest or attention). Why did he not age for 27 years? Why was Pangborn in on it?

Yeah, I don't know, let's see what they show us in the season finale next week.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Well Lacey captured him cause in that reality he heard the voice of god tell him that he was the devil, and in Bill Skarsgard's reality his father heard the voice of god tell him Henry was the devil. So i think its whoever crosses over into their alternate reality is labeled the devil or evil.

And as for him not aging, i think time works different when you're in an alternate reality, cause Henry didn't age either when he was in Bill Skarsgard's reality locked in the basement. Cause when Henry went back to his reality he'd only been missing like 12 days but he was locked up for years in the reverends basement. So whats days in your real reality is like years in your alternate reality.

[–] exatera (3942) 6 years ago

But see, the black Henry Deaver came to Matthew and knew all the details of his childhood, which was immediately suspicious to the reverend. What about Skarsgard's Henry Deaver attracted Lacy's attention?

And I am guessing hearing the schisma really just means that you are being transported to another reality? I hope they explain why some people are susceptible to it.

[–] Mister Babadook (2623) 6 years ago

Well we haven't found out exactly what drew Lacy's attention, The Kid just said he walked around for days until Lacey found him and captured him. Perhaps we'll see that in the final episode showing Lacey capturing him. Lacy just told us god told him to lock him up and never let him out.

[–] fearsum (1) 6 years ago

I think the kid has some connection to Leland Gaunt. In Needful Things everyone Gaunt came into contact with either died or became unhinged. I think he targeted Alan specifically because he was the only one to get the better of him. I’m referring to the book and not the movie. In the movie Alan meets Leland almost as soon as he sets up shop. In the book they don’t meet till about 7 pages from the end.

[–] FifthFreedom (196) 5 years ago

I think by "innocent by standard", you meant "innocent bystander".

[–] [email protected] (1639) 4 years ago

You were right and it seems Black Henry doesn't believe 6'5" Henry. But so frustrating he doesn't even bother to test or try out the Kid's theory/story before completely disbelieving him and locking him up for another 27 years.