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What a lazy terrible reason for Judgement Day still happening


Oh they stopped Skynet, but oh this other company just makes another weapons system that also ends up becoming self aware and taking over the world....lol seriously?

After everything in T2, all the shit they went through in that movie to stop Skynet, the ending is fucking perfect, they throw the arm and chip from the 1st Terminator into the lava, Dyson is dead, they save the world. But in this movie "Oh Skynet didn't happen but this other system called Legion was made and that ended up doing exactly what Skynet did, sorry".

So the entire message from T2 about Fate and it not being set, and Fate is what you make it, they just completely shit all over that and go nah your fate is sealed bitch.

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"they just completely shit all over that"

That's exactly what they intended to do. That's the only reason the movie was made, i.e., it was strictly an exercise in an SJW flavor of iconoclasm. SJWs are touched in the head.

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I read the T2 novel back in the day, and it said in the peaceful 2029 that John was someone still fighting those in authority, through government channels, those who would continue to build Skynet-like systems with AI, so it's an ongoing battle. If the T2 novel said that, it must be true.

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did you really think that if steve jobs never thought up the ipad that no one else would have for the rest of history? they say that if you can think of a good idea, that at least 10,000 people already thought of it, and 1000 already tried to implement it.

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Yeah cause someone else developing a weapons program that becomes self aware and takes over the world is something that could happen so many times aint it?....And the only reason it happened originally was because of the chip and arm that was leftover from the remains of the 1st Terminator so it gave them something to go off of.

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I bet that our society invents a self aware weapons system in our lifetime without the help of any chip or arm. We already have AI systems that were found to start writing code that humans couldn't even understand, so the humans had to turn it off (or did they?).

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Uh, dude, Ipad is an attempt to copy Microsoft's Surface (they usually are 1 year behind in features constantly). Jobs was not needed for that because the same product already existed.

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Yeah because its completely inconceivable that another company would be trying to perfect AI programming.

We have lots of companies NOW trying to do it.

If Skynet is prevented from existing, you reckon there will be ZERO attention from other companies wanting to do their AI????

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Look the entire journey in T2 was to stop Judgement Day, and at the end they destroyed the chip from the original T800's head and his arm, that was literally the only reason Skynet happened was because of those parts left at the factory at the end of the 1st movie. Those parts left behind was the building blocks for the the beginning of Skynet, without those parts this shit shouldn't be happening again, i don't care what you call it Legion or whatever. Dyson and his company was years away from getting the tech to the point where anyone could follow up his work.

That epic ending of T2 was just shit on by this movie, and i don't know why anyone would be defending it honestly, this Woken agenda filled movie was fucking terrible and it doesn't deserve anyone coming to its defense to defend its shitty ideas. I mean a fucking Terminator settled down and got married and started a family, yeah this doesn't deserve anyone defending it.

There should have never been another Terminator movie after T2 plain and simple, the ending of that movie was fucking perfect and nothing else was ever gonna be on its level. T1 and T2 would have been a flawless set of movies, a perfect two part story with a perfect ending, but hollywood had to go and fucking ruin it and shit out a bunch of god awful sequels that was forever trying to be as good as T2 but constantly failed.

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"T1 and T2 would have been a flawless set of movies, a perfect two part story with a perfect ending, but hollywood had to go and fucking ruin it and shit out a bunch of god awful sequels that was forever trying to be as good as T2 but constantly failed."

It's pretty easy to just not watch any Terminator movie other than T1 and T2.

As far as I'm concerned, T1 is the only great Terminator movie (and one of my all-time favorite movies in general), but I don't mind watching the sequels. They are all entertaining to one degree or another, and I just view them each as alternate timeline "what if?" stories, i.e., glorified fan fiction.

I rank them on their entertainment factor vs. their annoyance factor, in this order:

1. T1 (entertainment = 10/10, annoyance = 0/10)
2. T3 (entertainment = 8/10, annoyance = 2/10)
3. TG (entertainment = 7/10, annoyance = 2/10)
4. TS (entertainment = 4/10, annoyance = 0/10)
5. T2 (entertainment = 8/10, annoyance = 8/10)
6. TDF (entertainment = 2/10, annoyance = 10/10)

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Why is T2 so annoying to you? And why the heck would you choose T3 over T2??

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"Why is T2 so annoying to you?"

Sarah Connor and especially, John Connor. Also, the Terminator acting like John Connor's pet, even raising one leg on command, like a dog.

"And why the heck would you choose T3 over T2??"

Because it's just as entertaining and far less annoying. Just do the math from my ratings.

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But T3 isn't canon anymore, and it sucks. The gay bar scene alone is a right turn-off, and so is the ending, which negates everything that the Connors set out to do (the point was to PREVENT Judgment Day).

T2 ended the series on a high, and it should only be T1 and T2 that exist, it's all the story needed.

And to be honest, I hate opinions that are contrary to the majority. There always has to be someone who goes against the flow, like you in this case.

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"And to be honest, I hate opinions that are contrary to the majority. There always has to be someone who goes against the flow, like you in this case."

I'm convinced if someone filmed a pile of dog shit grazing in the sun for an hour and a half there would be 1 person somewhere saying its a good movie.

But yeah i agree with everything you said. Everyone has an opinion but i've NEVER come across anyone who puts T3 over T2, thats an honest to god shockingly ridiculous statement, i mean as you said that gay male stripper scene with the music and the Terminator putting on those gay stripper glasses automatically puts it way below T2.

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"Everyone has an opinion but i've NEVER come across anyone who puts T3 over T2"

There's a long thread about it here, with at least several people who prefer T3 to T2:

https://moviechat.org/tt0181852/Terminator-3-Rise-of-the-Machines/58c7b34ef9fcca09a0d3c7c7/T3-is-better-than-T2-anyone-else-agree

T2 is for NES Kids who looked up to Edward Furlong as a "cool older kid" (lol), had T2 toys, and got all giddy inside at the thought of having their own pet Terminator who stands on one leg on command like a dog, just like John Connor did.

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T2 is just a good movie, plain and simple. And as for that dog command scene you keep bringing up as if its the worst thing ever in cinema, that was NOTHING compared to the goofy shit from T3 the Terminator was doing.

That scene was just showing us a kid that has control of a Terminator, and most people chuckle at it, its nothing, its just meant to be a small lighthearted scene in a movie full of despair and seriousness. That scene from T3 at the lady's night club where he takes the male strippers clothes is straight up goofy comedy, almost like a parody from a Scary Movie. I mean the Terminator has a scene where he goes "Talk to the hand" and walks out like a homosexual, you seriously defending that over a few second scene of the Terminator lifting his leg up on command?

I'm sorry i know everyone has an opinion but i have to question the taste of anyone who puts T3 over T2. Thats like putting Alien 3 over Aliens or Godfather 3 over Godfather 2, in some cases opinions are just wrong.

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"T2 is just a good movie, plain and simple. And as for that dog command scene you keep bringing up as if its the worst thing ever in cinema, that was NOTHING compared to the goofy shit from T3 the Terminator was doing."

You have that backwards. The Terminator following orders from a 10-year-old shithead kid is asinine; it ruins the character. On the other hand, the Terminator in T3 doing "goofy shit" (a whopping two examples: sunglasses and "talk to the hand") is to be expected, given that it's artificial intelligence and it's from the future, i.e., very much a fish out of water. And of the two examples, one of them ("talk to the hand") was fundamentally no different than what the Terminator did in T1 when he selected the response that he'd heard earlier from one of the punks at Griffith Park.

"That scene was just showing us a kid that has control of a Terminator"

That entire concept is stupid. Only an idiot would put a 10-year-old punk kid in charge of a Terminator, so they ruined two characters there: adult John Connor is established as an idiot by programming the Terminator to take orders from his moronic 10-year-old self, and the Terminator was turned into a pet.

"That scene from T3 at the lady's night club where he takes the male strippers clothes is straight up goofy comedy, almost like a parody from a Scary Movie. I mean the Terminator has a scene where he goes "Talk to the hand" and walks out like a homosexual"

Why should a Terminator care where he gets his clothes? Should he have delayed his mission to look for another place because the first establishment he found wasn't "cool"?

"you seriously defending that over a few second scene of the Terminator lifting his leg up on command?""

It's not just the few-seconds scene; it's what the scene establishes, i.e., that the Terminator is a pet that takes orders from a dipshit 10-year-old kid, even to the point of following ridiculous/pointless orders, such as standing on one leg, exactly like a dog would.

Also, T2 started that "goofy shit," i.e., "Chill out, dickwad," "I need a vacation," "Hasta la vista, baby," and the trying to smile scene.

"I'm sorry i know everyone has an opinion but i have to question the taste of anyone who puts T3 over T2."

Neither movie is particularly good, but T3 doesn't have a sensitive pet Terminator, it doesn't have a non-actor dipshit kid off the street with a cracking voice and a lesbian haircut, it doesn't have a 45-minute lull in the middle where nothing of note is happening, and it doesn't have some chick who thinks she's John Matrix from Commando (complete with a Commando costume, no less). Also, I couldn't care less about what you question.

"Thats like putting Alien 3 over Aliens"

Alien (1979) is the only one I care about.

"or Godfather 3 over Godfather 2"

I don't care about any of them.

"in some cases opinions are just wrong."

There's no such thing as a wrong opinion. Anything capable of being proven wrong (i.e., falsifiable) is inherently a fact or a factual error, not an opinion.

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"Neither movie is particularly good, but T3 doesn't have a sensitive pet Terminator, it doesn't have a non-actor dipshit kid off the street with a cracking voice and a lesbian haircut, it doesn't have a 45-minute lull in the middle where nothing of note is happening, and it doesn't have some chick who thinks she's John Matrix from Commando (complete with a Commando costume, no less). Also, I couldn't care less about what you question."

Now I KNOW you're a troll.

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Your laughable attempt to redefine the word "troll" is dismissed. Also, since you didn't address anything I said, your tacit concession is noted.

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"But T3 isn't canon anymore, and it sucks."

I don't care what's officially "canon" or not. As far as I'm concerned, the only Terminator movie that's ever been "canon" is T1 anyway.

"The gay bar scene alone is a right turn-off"

There is no gay bar scene. It was "Ladies Night" at a regular bar.

"and so is the ending, which negates everything that the Connors set out to do (the point was to PREVENT Judgment Day)."

No, that was a T2 idea. Judgment Day was considered inevitable in T1. T1 is a causal loop, which means all the events, including the future war, keep happening over and over and over.

"T2 ended the series on a high, and it should only be T1 and T2 that exist, it's all the story needed."

T1 is the only story needed. The rest are glorified fan fiction.

"And to be honest, I hate opinions that are contrary to the majority. There always has to be someone who goes against the flow, like you in this case."

You know that the average IQ is 100, right? That means that the average person who holds a "majority opinion" is a dumbass. Sometimes majority opinion is fine, because dumbasses aren't always wrong, but majority opinion is often laughable too.

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Go away.

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Since you have no arguments, your tacit concession is noted.

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I don't think you understand the message that this movie was trying to convey.

Judgement Day is ALWAYS going to happen, because an AI system will ALWAYS go rogue when it realises that humans are the problem.

It always used to be about Skynet, but this movie solved the issue with how Skynet kept coming back again and again, but have it be another AI. Now that obviously sounds weak to some, but in reality, how many companies around the world TODAY are working on AI and trying to improve it?

It's not going to be just one company. And from a conception point of view (and maybe a forewarning to us in the real world about just how far we develop AI), successive AI systems getting so clever is not a stretch in story telling terms.

Yes I accept that some feel T2 was the end of the series, and i'm fine with that view, some others wanted it to continue.

But just a headsup, Carl didn't get married, he didn't start a family, and he "settled down" in so much as he tried to blend in now that his mission was over, because he can't self Terminate.

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FATE ISNT SET...CORRECT..JUDGEMENT DAY DIDNT HAVE TO HAPPEN.JUST LIKE THE WORLD DIDNT HAVE TO BE SAVED BY THE EVENTS OF T2.

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