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Can the left stop destroying movies?


Getting really sick of the left injecting their politics into everything.

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If the right is so sick of the left being so popular, they should start doing something valuable for the poor majority who votes left. The only poor people who vote for the right are the racist homophobes.

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Haha, well said. That's also what my German grandpa told in 1933 to people opposing the NSDAP. I guess socialist and democratic parties of Germany should've done something for the poor patriotic German majority who voted right. The only Germans who voted left were the commies and jewish conspirators, obviously.

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So popular they can't win the presidency, and so popular that these SJW movies are constantly underperforming,lol.

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I know I shouldn't bite, but I can't help it. Just what exactly should be done for this poor majority? Make them more dependent on the government for everything in their lives? How is it compassionate to tell people they can't make it w/o social programs that only encourage them to rely on someone else providing for them?
Serious question - what do you consider to be examples of something valuable?

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Unconditional basic income, free healthcare and free education for all. For capitalism to work properly, everyone should be given the same chance of succeeding in life. Rich kids should not have any advantage over poor kids when it comes to basic necessities for growing up into healthy adults.

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Sounds like a bunch of lazy people that do not want to work. Pass.

You want shit? Earn it.

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You want children to work? You must be really a proud Trumper.

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if you can't afford them stop having babies.

overpopulation, the root of all bad things on earth

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What overpopulation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZPTaV-RcQ

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LOL..... such bullshit


btw,
look at these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF4L5GnUXOw

3rd world shitholes

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Yes, it would give them character and drive, rather than make them whiny useless socialists.

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Define what unconditional basic income means to you? We do have free education right now and it's a mess. Do you mean higher education - college, trade schools? Free healthcare - nothing is ever free - who exactly pays for all of these programs? Elizabeth Warren has come out with a proposal for her healthcare program and low estimates are $20 trillion. Don't tell me billionaires and corporations - it's just not that simple.

In countries where there is government provided healthcare, people have to wait years to get certain things like a knee or hip replaced. I travel all over the world and talk to people from these countries - it's not the medical utopia you may think.

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The definition of basic income for me is the one that eliminates wage slavery. People should be able to choose to work, not being forced to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

Free higher education is in many ways already available on the internet for people who want to learn. The only thing missing are accredited testing and grading methods, so those self-learners can also get valid degrees.

Universal healthcare works pretty well in countries with low rates of government corruption.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/03/medicare-for-all-how-universal-health-care-works-in-canada.html

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If everyone stops working, who pays for all this?

Someone has to pay.

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I talk to Canadians all of the time and most of them have major problems with the system. Many of them come to the US for timely treatment - the average wait in Canada to see a specialist is about 10 weeks.

Humm - I think people can choose work right now. I really believe the majority of those who can't and work low paying jobs would not succeed regardless of what opportunities were presented.

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I really believe the majority of those who can't and work low paying jobs would not succeed regardless of what opportunities were presented.

That's what the European imperialists claimed about Asians, and look what happened to South Korea, India, China and Japan... their main export is highly skilled labor.

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The problem is as stated people are often lazy. Many refuse opportunities such as jobs as they don't want to work but then complain.

If anything maybe employers should be more open to taking people on and training them up, giving them the jobs they need.

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If there were no lazy people, we would be still walking and running instead of driving and flying. Laziness stimulates creativity. Most of the optimization problem solutions in mathematics were produced by very smart lazy people. :)

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But I do find some people want something for nothing.

Here In the UK it's not uncommon for British jobseekers to keep refusing jobs e.g. low pay or just don't want to work but then complain that the jobs they refuse go to foreigners

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So popular that all these leftist movies are bombing.

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Their ideology is dying. They abort thier children, so they have to indoctrinate the offspring of the conservatives.

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It has been proven time and time again that "top brass" rich conservatives pay their mistresses to abort and stay quiet.

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The left is so popular that Trump is president.

The media and entertainment industries are controlled by the left, which gives them undue influence over society, making them appear stronger than they actually are.

What's amazing is that the Hollywood and the media are constantly trying to brainwash Americans and yet conservatism is STILL as strong as it is.

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The Media/Entertainment is controlled by Big Corporations, who know how to make money by constantly pulling the heartstrings of BOTH the left and right. Their only true ideology is "make money".

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The left isn't "popular". Stop promoting idiotic Michael Moore claims. Most of America is socially conservative. Most White people are socially conservative and most Hispanics and Blacks are socially conservative as well. The only socially liberal people are Hollywood media elite who have a large megaphone.

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Can you guys please stop pretending it's only the movies and that it's only the leftist thing? Movies are nothing but a reflection of a wider American culture. For fucks sake, your kids are learning this stuff (gender ideology, feminism, etc.) in their kindergartens. The entire youth is being indoctrinated and I'm not gonna take sides here, it's always been one indoctrination or another, but stop pretending this is a result of some small number of "SJW"s of "leftits" in hollywood trolling straight white men for the heck of it. In some cases a movie can be an independent attempt to brainwash, but in most cases it's just a reflection of a greater cultural zeitgeist and at best you could say that movies act as amplifiers of it.

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Bravo, I agree. Actually I think we've always been slaves to Big corporations and indoctrinated as such. I also think this SJW/leftist movement is just Big Corporations ensuring they enslave women/minorities etc. since enslaved white men aren't making as much money as they used to.
In short, Big Corporations own us and if you don't think so, think again.

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It makes me cringe - and I'm a woman. Do most people really believe this BS or are we on a guilt trip promoted by a far left agenda?

I'm a conservative - really a closet libertarian - lol, and I have liberal friends but only a very small number of them buy into the "women are the future." crap.

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Oh yeah, people definitely believe what their masters tell them. If the Big Corporations wants us to believe climate change is BS(which it really is lol) then we all would be climate change deniers.
Women are making more money than ever before..sooo, Big Corporations just pull their puppet strings a little more and Voila! they create a far left agenda.

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yes.... all left wing women should travel a bit.... go to africa and the middle east and everywhere islamic and see the "women are lower than dogs and donkey mentality".... it's a good wake up call, that shit could, and maybe will be in the future: A WHOLE LOT WORSE !

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Well, a better solution would be for all citizens of the U.S. to rise up against the real enemy: Big Corporations(esp. Junk Food Poisoners, Big Pharma/Medical, Big Media).
God I'm starting to sound like Dr. Amp..at least he's right about everything lol.

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Thank you for saying what was on my mind. I definitely felt an agenda, but what film hasn't put one out since the inception of film production; An agenda can be a theme or moral that reflects the times. Furthermore, as a moderate, I have to whole hardheartedly agree with you that these days people can become so defensive (the right) or offended (the left) by what's being reflected on the big screen and be quick to judge a film or media content because of the perceived and actual themes of the content. Gritty detective/cop films of the 70s reflected the decay and disorder of the cities then while slashers emulated prudish conservative sentiments of the 80s. How is Terminator Dark Fate any different, considering that a substantial portion of the growing modern-era audience and largest consumer base in the United States (Latinos) feel about the detainment facilities and increasing derision of non-white people (via hate crimes or harassment).

P.S. You don't become gay, straight, feminist, misogynist, liberal, conservative from what's thrown at you from the big screen. That's primarily your genes or your family's fault (well maybe except orientation lol).

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So far:

SW
MCU
Ghostbusters
MiB
Terminator

What else?

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Whatever makes them the most money.

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Star Trek
Doctor Who
Lost In Space

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I'll laugh if they make 'Mindy and Mork'

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oh yeh forget tv

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Before we had HBO with tons of glbt agenda - but, it's true - now they are going after mainstream tv series. Before you know it, the muppet show is going to start featuring female domination and half of the puppets turning gay.

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Next up: female Marcus Aurelius, female Ramses, female Jesus. Just you wait.

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I’m on the left and I hate this shit too.

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The pendulum swings.

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HOW CAN THEY DESTROY MOVIES THAT DONT EXIST TIL THEY MAKE THEM?

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By infecting pre-existing franchises.

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IMO, it's not always just because of Hollywood injecting politics into a movie - it's remakes in general. Leave the classics alone and come up with something original.

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