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Forbes on TDF:"SADLY, Diversity Isn't Enough"


This clueless writer for Forbes has an epiphany. He's such a simple minded douchebag ignorant of movies!


www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/05/why-terminator-dark-fate-and-pacific-rim-failed-where-star-wars-the-force-awakens-and-hobbs--shaw-succeeded-box-office/#119f557f19ce



"Dark Fate applied the Force Awakens formula to Terminator, and its failure shows the cruel limits of onscreen diversity as a financial boost.


Two of the big movies dropping on DVD/Blu-Ray and “priced to rent” VOD today are Warner Bros. and New Line Cinema’s The Kitchen and Universal’s Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw. The former is, in a nutshell, everything we claim to want as a result of a push for onscreen diversity. It’s a mid-budget ($38 million), R-rated, adult-skewing mob drama starring Melissa McCarthy, Tiffany Haddish and Elisabeth Moss from a major studio and courtesy of a first-time female director in Andrea Berloff. Yet, partially thanks to mixed-negative reviews, and frankly I thought it was a fine piece of B-movie, three-star Hollywood moviemaking, the film earned just $16 million worldwide. Meanwhile, David Leitch’s Hobbs & Shaw starred Dwayne Johnson, Jason Statham, Vanessa Kirby and Idris Elba in a blustery and over-the-top actioner that grossed $758 million worldwide, still the year’s biggest non-Disney/comic book flick of the year.

The extreme success (relatively speaking) of the actioner and the extreme failure of the crime flick highlights a grim point, one that plays into the sadly predictable box office failure of Terminator: Dark Fate. Audiences may claim to want onscreen and offscreen inclusivity, or perhaps the online conversation disproportionately speaks for the general populace. But, simply put, while onscreen diversity and offscreen inclusivity can be a potent added value element in a film audiences already want to see, it will not persuade moviegoers to show up in theaters for a film in which they otherwise have little interest. It’s a cruel truth that has revealed itself over the last few years, especially as Hollywood has (finally) gotten its head out of its butt and started offering, on the semi-regular, old-school studio programmers that happen to feature diverse casts and slightly more behind-the-scenes inclusivity.

Audiences have little problem with onscreen diversity. They also have little awareness of offscreen inequalities for the same reason I can’t quote stats concerning black coaches in the NFL or NBA. Even the online folks who proclaim to want this stuff only mean that they want progressive casting in the movies they were already going to see. They want diversity in Star Wars movies, comic book superhero movies and branded mega-bucks action spectaculars because those are the movies they already want to see. The folks championing Captain Marvel ignore Alita: Battle Angel, the folks flocking psyched to see Naomi Harris in No Time to Die or possibly as a baddie in Venom 2 have no interest in (the very good and of-the-moment political) Black and Blue. The folks waiting with bated breath for Birds of Prey might have enjoyed The Kitchen or Widows."



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well, a black actor called dwayne johnson is the top-earning movie star of the last decade.
'wonder woman' featuring a female super hero was one of the biggest blockbusters of the recent years.
case closed.

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The racists on the left will tell you he's not the "right kind of black"...or some other fucked up reason you're wrong.

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Sensible people will tell you that Dwayne Johnson is a dull meathead with no charisma. That's why he sucks compared to the action heroes of yesteryear. He makes Charles Bronson seem like an actor with immense range.

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Dwayne Johnson is black??? I thought he was Samoan?

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The Rock's dad is Rocky Johnson
https://www.wwe.com/superstars/rockyjohnson

And his mother is the daughter of High Chief Peter Maivia.
https://www.wwe.com/superstars/petermaivia

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I'm an indepedent and hate aspects of both parties. I REALLY hate Donald Trump but I've always believed that part of what got that buffoon elected was all this PC/Woke nonsense. I hate PC/Woke politics and it's clearly killing cinema. Hollywood is either tone deaf on this point or think, if they push it hard and long enough, it will just "click". It won't. This flop of Woke Fate is proof-positive that NO brand is immune from this crap.

There's nothing wrong with diversity in movies. We've had it for DECADES. The problem we have with it now is how insulting and forced it's become in movies/tv. It's as if they're sitting down with a checklist and filling a "quota". It's idiotic.

SJW's don't like it when I bring this up but my own WIFE thinks this Woke garbage is stupid as well and she's Asian. Hollywood is trying to cater to an audience that doesn't exist.

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im getting tired of that mendelson guy - I often read his stuff but hes become such a SJW and thinks his opinions carry weight around Hollywood. he posts about 3 loooong articles a day and increasingly bangs on too much about woke stuff and how movies need to be all diverse , all the while going into the minutia of box office and looking for weird meanings why a movie has bombed or been a hit (when ultimately its just all down to if audiences digs a movie or not)

anyway the box office stuff is pretty much all BS as when inflated to todays money lots of old films outgross todays movies.. so its all abit pointless. itd make more sense to focus on actual ticket sales.

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I don't know. I don't mind diversity but not when it breaks suspension of disbelief. Danty featherweight yet attractive females destroying scores of mesomorph men by the dozens. Films where it seems the entire population is black (Awkward raves during the matrix) despite being only 13.5% of the population.

Diversity being protected in Cinima is just not done plausibly and it just makes the film seem cartoony.

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