I missed the very beginning
But I couldn’t help thinking Sarah looks old for 52 (I think she’s ten years younger than Linda Hamilton)
Oddly, I did think Linda herself looked pretty good for 62. A facelift would’ve messed up that intense gaze.
It was set 27 years after terminator 2. Odly terminator was set in 1996 which would make this film 2023. I
m thinking the film is supposed to be set in 2019. I'm guessing this is a slight goof as 27 years after 1991 is around 2018 2019 which I think is the target date for this film.
terminator 2 was set in 1995, dark fate is set in 2020.
btw, i thought linda hamilton looked too old (for an 18-year-old) already in the first terminator film.
Wow didn't realize she was supposed to be 18. I was thjinking late 20s.
shareYeah, Sarah was 18 (based on her ID info). Linda Hamilton herself was 28.
I noticed the age problem myself because I actually WAS 18 when I saw T1 in the theaters
But thanks, I'd forgotten that T2 was set in "the future," five years after the film was released. That brings Sarah Connor five years closer to Linda Hamilton's age.
She (Sarah) looks a bit older than 57, but considering her lifestyle as a fugitive terminator-hunter, it's understandable.
The 1996 futurte snuck uup on all of us because the only hint of it was when the t-1000 was looking at john conners record in the police computer. I can't think of any other times 1996 was revealed to be the current time. Any one else know of any other references? IE its like everyone wanted the film to be in 1991 but were forced to reconcile that john conner would only havge been 7 years old since he was born in 1984 so they just snuck in tthat it was 1996 to put John at a Junior high age.
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Well actually everything after two was an alternate timeline. This one follows directly after T2. It's am altered timeline NOT Alternate ..
shareDisagree, IMO T2 is not the same time line as T1. There was never any mention of more terminators sent to future dates by Kyle and according to him the time machine was going to be destroyed after he went through - "it was just him and me."
The only way it could be the same time line as T1 would be if the resistance did not manage blow up everything,( or maybe there was more than one machine), and more terminators were sent back at a later date in which case Kyle would not have know about that happening.
But I don't believe if the events of T2 were know by John when Kyle went back that he wouldn't have told him to make sure Sarah knew there would be future threats.
Linda Hamiltons speech at the beggining of terminator 2 establishes that the first terminator struck at her and the second at john connor directly. This establishes T1 and T2 are in the same timeline. Also if its in a differen't timeline then how could kyle be john's father.
shareOf course she said that - the events of T1,( the 1st terminator, sending Kyle back and fathering John), happened in T2, but the events of T2 did not happen in T1.
T1 had one terminator only, never any more, and judgement day happened on schedule, john became the resistance leader and sends Kyle back.
T2 had multiple terminators and it was never satisfactorily explained how that was possible. At the end of T2 we don't know the future but one thing never changes - in all timelines Kyle is always John's father
yea I see whatr yuour saying now. Its like t1 didn't matter because t2 undid it by magicvally sending back another terminatotr anyways. Thats the problem with time travel. Once that can of worms is opened you can keep undoing every thing with out limitatrion. :(
shareIt's an ALTERED timeline....that's different from ALTERNATE....
shareTime travel movies always have inherent logic flaws. The flaws start with the very first movie which tries to use a circular logic... i.e. the future creates itself when John Connor sends his father back in time.
This leads to a paradox...
Either...
i. John Conner (v1.0) 2029 doesn't send Kyle Reese back to protect Sarah. Why would he? He -- John Connor 2029 -- ALREADY EXISTS. No need to send Kyle Reese back.
or...
ii. John Connor 2029 (v1.0) sends Kyle Reese back because the history books tell him that Kyle Reese is his father. Kyle becomes the father of John Connor... but John Connor (v2.0) in a new timeline created by the fact of Kyle Reese's time traveling.
However, for John Connor (v1.0) nothing changes in his timeline. He simply sees his father disappear into a time machine never to return. Skynet still exists, he continues to lead the human resistance.
Which leads back to... why would John Connor (v1.0) 2029 bother to send Kyle Reese back in time? It's not going to make a bit of difference to his situation in timeline (v1.0).
It also means that the father of John Connor (v1.0) is not the same Kyle Reese (v1.0) that he just sent back in time. It must be a different Kyle Reese from yet another timeline... call it (v0.0).
Humm... T1 is a causal loop paradox. It is unchanging, w/o a known origin. It is always the same Kyle that goes back in time to father John. Of course John doesn't realize he is in a loop so in his message to Sara he tells her the future is not set. He thinks there is a possibility that the past can be changed, but it can't. If you recall, Kyle actually volunteers to go back to 1984 - to me John seems to be passive as he doesn't really ask Kyle to go, although by giving Sarah's photo to Kyle he plants the seed for the future he knows will happen. All of the characters in T1 are destined to repeat the same thing over and over agin.
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I agree it's a paradox for the reasons I mentioned above.
That's why it's best not to give the logic behind these movies and others like BTTF and POTA too much thought.
To continue from my reply above...
To address your answer then:
Kyle Reese (v1.0) creates timeline (v2.0) by virtue of his time traveling. He might not know of other Terminators sent back because his memories are of a different future (v1.0).
In the future of timeline (v2.0) Skynet does send back future Terminators out. Therefore T2 happens in the same timeline as T1 but NOT in the same timeline that Kyle Reese (v1.0) came from.
Or does it?
It gets way more complicated when you realize that EVERY instance of time travel creates an infinity of new timelines radiating from that point. Even in the first movie, the T-800 and Kyle Reese must come from different futures if you follow the logic above. Sure, they might be very similar futures but they aren't the same and each has a different set of 'future memories'.
So, it's possible that T1 and T2 take place in different but very similar universes... so similar that they might be indistinguishable from each other.
Now I have a headache and must go...
Well, think I'll go fix dinner then have a strong drink while I try to analyze that.
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John Connor (v.1.0) sends Kyle back because SkyNet sent a terminator back to kill Sarah.
I always got the impression they found the time machine warmed up and ready, having just sent back the original CSM-101.
But you'd have to be right about not changing the future, because the INSTANT SkyNet sent back a terminator, there'd be no John any longer.
So, even more so, the original film represents a closed loop. The original terminator AND Kyle have to both be sent back in time for things to work out the way they did.
Personally, I like the way the TV series addressed this, basically confirming that every change creates an alternate timeline. It's messy, but avoids the predestination paradox.
I like time travel movies but not a lot of them hold up to scrutiny. IIRC Primer did a pretty good job of it.
The cleverest 'model' I ever saw was Looper. Time travel creates a feedback loop that affects the one timeline up and down the future so that it all stays consistent. No alternate timelines are created.
What this means in practical terms is that time travel changes can't be so radical as to cause the loop to collapse.
If you saw Looper, we see that Bruce Willis can change the past but, in so doing, his own memories change to reflect a different future. In the parallel worlds model the time traveler keeps the memory of the original timeline even as he creates a new and different timeline.
How it might work in the Terminator universe:
i. In 2029, in order to crush the human resistance, Skynet (v1.0) sends back a Terminator to kill Sarah.
ii. When the Terminator kills Sarah it doesn't create a new timeline. She dies, the Terminator isn't destroyed and Skynet's development is delayed by decades. (No chips available for Cyberdyne to leapfrog AI development.).
iii. A resistance against Skynet (v2.0) is led by a new leader Jack Dawson. 2069 Skynet (v2.0) sends a Exterminator to 1984 on a recon mission to kill Dawson's birth parents as children.
iv. The original Terminator immediately morphs into the Exterminator complete with programming and memories of the new and different future. It has no mission memory or information of Sarah Connor, John Connor, or Skynet (v1.0). All it knows is Skynet (v2.0) and Jack Dawson. It's the only thing it has ever known.
v. Nobody anywhere has a memory of the original timeline. It has ceased to exist altogether and everything in the newly created timeline 'fits' the new set of facts.
vi. In this newly created timeline Sarah Connor's murder is never solved and becomes a cold case. The world will never know of John Connor or Skynet (v1.0).
I've grossly simplified it for this example. In reality, it might take many feedback loops for everything to sort itself out. More likely major changes would 'break' the loop. Instead changes would have to happen in small increments before big changes are realized.
In this complex model, time isn't something that evolves. Instead it's more like everything happens at once and it's only our perception that makes it seem like things happen in a progressive manner.
Pretty trippy eh?
Yeah, that can mess with your mind - that time is really only an illusion and past, present, and future co-exist.
shareI don't know where the timeline for T2 came from. I simply don't think it was part of the original timeline. I think Cameron did a lousy job explaining exactly how the two terminators were sent back.
So I guess we are agreeing it's possible that T1 and T2 take place in different but very similar universes - that is the most logical explanation to me.
Now I'll go get that drink and watch MNF. My FF team is tanking this year, wish someone from the future would come back and tell me what to do.
It's set in the year woketeen wokety woke
Love this comment!!! Lol : in the year woletty woke woke fem fem 50 women will rise!!! Lol
shareWho cares, it bombed.
shareDark fate is 22 years after t2
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