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Yet ANOTHER issue with the time card...

posted 7 years ago by mollys-lips
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I see that other people saw what I did regarding the dates on the card: it seems to include two Sundays (I did see that some people have suggested it is a 2 week time card and that may be true) and that if he took time off of work right after, as even Dear admits, this cannot possibly be for the week of the murder as it shows him working 4 days that week but there is something else about the time card that totally debunks the "evidence" that Dear presented regarding the time the restaurant closes and therefore how long Jason had to get over to Nicole's house:

The Sunday that IS on the card, that is clearly marked by the machine, shows a clock out at 10:20 meaning the guy on the tape was wrong about when the kitchen closed on Sundays and when the cooks left. If he is wrong about that, perhaps he is wrong about the labels too. I'm hoping that this is brought up tonight.

I'm not sure why the top entry is written in, but on balance it appears that this time card is for the week ending on the 12th. At the very least, it discredits his time line for the case since it shows clearly that a chef did, indeed, work until 10:20 on a Sunday.

This whole thing is BS but now I am watching hoping these guys tell Dear as much.

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[–] Terpsfan 7 years ago

You beat me to the punch - I literally just said the same thing, two minutes after you, on the time card evidence message on this board. I froze the picture and saw 10:20pm on Sunday the 19th and I thought "wait, didn't they just say it was odd that Jason would stay until 10:30pm on a Sunday night?" I mean geez, they didn't bother to take notice of that? Unbelievable.

I also contend that a time stamp can be moved forward in time - why not just move the time stamp forward in time when you clock out if you're so concerned about an alibi??

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[–] mollys-lips 7 years ago

On top of that, the only thing listing an actual date on the time card is the handwritten (likely by Jason) 6/19 on the top. There isn't a date next to the day on the time card. That's what makes me think that perhaps this is the time sheet for the two week period ending 6/19 and that the Sunday where he is clocked I until 10:20 is actually for the 12th. Looking at it, there is only one spot above the Tuesday that he worked, which would be a Monday (as you would expect of a time card ending on a Sunday) and, I think, plenty of room below for the week following the last Sunday (in this theory, the 12th) but there is nothing below that in terms of time stamps because he didn't come to work after that for a while.

I still can't explain the handwriting on the time sheet but this time card doesn't say what Dear wants it to say.

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[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

Is there a photo of the timecard online?

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[–] mollys-lips 7 years ago

Yes.

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[–] abodiker 7 years ago

It was probably a time clock that punched the time onto the card - those are next to impossible to change, but otherwise I agree fully with you.

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[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

Cooks don't always leave at the same time and they don't always leave together.

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[–] mollys-lips 7 years ago

The bus boy they interviewed said that the kitchen closed at 9pm on Sundays, that the cooks always left before them and that the bus/wait staff left about 9:45 on Sundays, well after the cooks. He said it was impossible for a chef or cook to be there until 10:20 on a Sunday night and that he specifically remembers Jason leaving before him on that night. It completely destroys Dear's (already BS) timeline.

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[–] Terpsfan 7 years ago

Did you read the other message thread on the time card? It's astutely pointed out that the written in time HAD to be for Monday, June 6.

It's a two week timecard, and it's for the period ending June 19. As is pointed out in the other thread, the time stamp for 10:20 had to be for June 12 - there is a bunch of space underneath that time stamp, indicating that Jason received time off after the murder of his stepmother. There's absolutely no chance that he would have worked the following week, he would have been too distraught, there was the funeral, etc.

So, that 10:20 timestamp is for June 12, not the 19th - establishing an alibi. After that, he receives the 13th-19th off - and there are no more time stamps. So, the June 6 written in time is now irrelevant - it's not the night of the murder.

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[–] mollys-lips 7 years ago

I agree 100% with what you said. It is clear that the time card runs from a Monday to a Sunday, either 1 or 2 weeks later. The handwriting above the small space above the Tuesday has to be for the Monday as it is clear that there are spaces down the time card for each day in the pay period and that there is plenty of room under the Sunday for another week of clock ins.

What I hadn't seen on the other board is a discussion of the 10:20 clock out on what is clearly a Sunday, completely contradicting the claim from the bus boy that a cook would never be there after 10 on a Sunday.

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[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

The hand written entry is for Monday, June 6. Sunday the 12th is the 4th printed entry.

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[–] mollys-lips 7 years ago

That's what I am saying

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[–] Terpsfan 7 years ago

Correct - the better argument may have been to say that the bus boy swears that a cook would never be there after 10, and that he's sure he left around 9:30ish. Then you might argue that the time stamp on June 12 was forwarded to show 10:20. Or, as was also pointed out on the other thread, someone else could have covered for him and clocked him out at 10:20. Again though, both are stretches. And the question still remains - how do you place Jason at the scene on Bundy Drive? His blood is nowhere to be found - nor are his footprints. Plus you have a woman saying she saw OJ speeding in his Bronco around the time of the murders. And so on and so on and so on. This is terrible evidence - you could never get an indictment here, it's just crazy speculation. Imagine if this went to court? It would be so easy to build a defense. Just call back the limo driver and other witnesses in the O.J. trial. It's just so silly - there would be massive reasonable doubt to convict Jason. This is just a total laughing stock.

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[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

I don't see why anyone would think the handwritten entry would be for Sunday.
Regardless of if it's a one or two week pay period, it is going to start with a Monday because the end is Sunday.
The only way it would work is the the first week, June 6th - June 12th, was on the other side - and the handwritten entry was written on that side in error (certainly possible).
There is no way the handwritten entry is June 12th, because that would mean he worked four out of the six days following the deaths??? That makes no sense.

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