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explain how R goldman put up a terrific struggle and OJ had no bruises

posted 7 years ago by tango09212
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R goldman was a stud was 6'2 195 lbs , he'd bruises on the knuckles on both hands , he was fighting for his life yet no bruises on OJ = not guilty

this is from Goldman's autopsy

"2. On the lateral or outer aspect of the left forearm there are multiple abrasions both linear and one that is approximately triangular measuring 3/4 x 1/2 inch; they are all brown to red-brown in color and antemortem; the longest linear abrasion is 3/4 inch in length.

3. On the dorsal surface of the right hand there are fresh bruises (red- purple in color) and fresh red-brown abrasions. On the proximal knuckle of the right middle finger a 1 x 3/4 inch bruise with no overlying abrasion. On the middle knuckle of the index finger a 1/2 x 1/2 inch bruise surrounding a 1/8 nondescript abrasion; just distal on the middle phalanx of the middle finger a 1/8 nondescript abrasion. On the proximal knuckle of the right index finer there is a 1/2 x 1/2 inch fresh bruise surrounding a linear diagonally oriented 1/2 inch red-brown abrasion.

There is a 1/2 x 1/2 inch fresh bruise on the middle of the right ring finger surrounding 2 punctate abrasions approximately 1/8 inch in maximal diameter; on the middle knuckle of the right 5th finger there is a 1/16 inch punctate nondescript abrasion.

4. On the dorsal side of the left hand there are multiple red-brown abrasions irregular in configuration and border, involving the 3 knuckles of the left index finger; maximal dimension 1/4 x 3/8 inch, all red-brown in color.

There is an irregularly configured abrasion on the proximal knuckle of the left middle finger consisting of an apparent 3 linear 1/2 inch abrasions converging at the center having a somewhat configuration of the letter W. These are all superficial skin abrasions. On the dorsal side of the left hand adjacent to the web of the thumb there is a linear, 3/4 inch long skin abrasion terminating in a 1/8 inch nondescript punctate abrasion near the base of the thumb.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas47.htm

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

I don't have a complete answer to your question, but I do have two comments.

1. Ron would have been on the defensive because he had no weapon. Chances are he was trying to avoid the knife, without success. Each time he got stabbed, he would have become weaker. So this is not a fight between O. J. and a fully-functioning Ron, but rather between O. J. and a rapidly weakening Ron.

2. Ron Shipp, O. J.'s friend, pointed out that people with dark skin tones don't show bruising as much as lighter-colored people. Ron Shipp, who is black, said that he used to play football, and got very bruised up, but the bruises did not show much. And O. J. has a darker skin tone than Ron Shipp. So that could be a factor.

[–] Terpsfan 7 years ago

Yeah there could be a lot of answers here - after he gets stabbed, maybe he's wildly swinging and hitting a fence. If you look at the death photo, he's leaning against a fence, and there's blood on the fence. Yes, it could be from his slumping against it, but maybe he took wild swings at OJ and missed, hitting the fence, as he was bleeding out. I mean who knows?

We also know that OJ had the bad cut on his finger that swelled up badly, and he had two different reasons for how he cut it. That's very suspicious, much like his contradicting alibis.

I still have trouble getting past the fact that he didn't ask how Nicole died when they called him. That's a gigantic red flag.

[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

"people with dark skin tones don't show bruising as much"
When cops are looking for bruises, they aren't standing in a dark room, taking a quick glance. They are in a brightly lit room with flashlights, and cameras with flashes.

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

Just telling you what Ron Shipp said. A person with a dark skin-tone who regularly got his fair share of bruises from playing sports.

[–] kndykss 7 years ago

Keep this in mind. simpson filmed a tv pilot about navy seals ( trained killers) 6 weeks before the murders. He trained with them... learned everything about what they were. the postions they use to avoid injuries during their kills et.. the night of the murders he was wearing a dark sweatsuit ( we all know how 'cold' it is in june {sarcasm) also keep in mind hes a former football player.He knows all about padding etc..protection from "tackles". last but not least. he had Ron CORNERED, caged in. you put someone ( who is in a rage and wielding a knife against a smaller defenless person. there is no competition. just so you know... simpson DID have injuries on him. ( no not Jason, but the REAL killer, his father) he had 7 cuts and abrasions. there is also a picture of the killer shirtless. his abdomen DOES look swollen. Ron fought hard yes. but look at where he was stabbed.. in his heart. thigh ribs .. the moment he was stabbed he grew weakened. He was flailing more than fighting very quickly. Use your common sense.

[–] lulupalooza 7 years ago

OJ's deeply, cut finger was suspicious.

"Don't get chumpatized!" - The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2007)

[–] tango09212 7 years ago

explain the bruising on both knuckles , what was he hitting , he was a stud , he was young , he was fighting for his life and according to the police he put up a terrific struggle if so then there should have been more markings on OJ , some scratches, something consistent w/ the knuckles on both hands and the terrific struggle put forth by the police , those bruises are not consistent w/ the non injuries on OJ = not guilty

[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

I'm, not sure the lack of bruises indicates innocence, but it is definitely odd.

[–] tango09212 7 years ago

if OJ had bruises and scratches on him constant w/ him being struck by a victim that had bruises on his knuckles would you say that would be consistent and is evidence of OJ 's guilt ? i think so , if thats the case then the absence of such evidence of bruising and scratching even when the victim put up a fight and had evidence of a fight on his knuckles has to be proof of OJ's innocence , its only fair

[–] OrangeFlowerPetal 7 years ago

So you're saying that O.J. is innocent of killing Nicole and Ron?

[–] tango09212 7 years ago

I'm saying the physical evidence on r gold mans hands are not consistent w/ non injuries on OJ , explain how a 6'2 195 lb guy fighting for his life to the extent that knuckles on both hands were bruised yet OJ body was photographed by the police and it showed no signs of bruising or scratching = that equals not guilty , that alone raises reasonable doubt , the defendant in america does he have to establish his innocence , the burden is on the government to establish guilt beyond " all" reasonable doubt , the non bruises or scratches = reasonable doubt = not guilty

[–] OrangeFlowerPetal 7 years ago

Ok. So do you think all the blood evidence was planted?

And do you think O.J. is completely innocent and was not involved in the murders in any way, shape, or form?

[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

@OrangeFlowerPetal

Ok. So do you think all the blood evidence was planted?

And do you think O.J. is completely innocent and was not involved in the murders in any way, shape, or form?

Uh, no I'm not freaked out.

Glad you are not freaking out.
Perhaps you should read my comment (the one you replied to). When you are done not freaking out.

[–] OrangeFlowerPetal 7 years ago

My question was for tango, not you. Why do you keep replying to me?

[–] Steppy412 7 years ago

@OrangeFlowerPetal -
I know this is going to freak you out, but here goes...
I don't think it's possible that the murders occurred the way the prosecution claims they did. Whoever committed these murders would have been covered in blood. There wouldn't have been a droplet here and a small smear there...there is something very big missing from the prosecution's "version".
I don't claim to know exactly what happened. Perhaps OJ hired someone to do it and he may have even watched...but claiming that he physically did it and acted alone borders on the absurd.

[–] OrangeFlowerPetal 7 years ago

Uh, no I'm not freaked out. I never said that Simpson didn't have an accomplice.

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

One possibility is that not all of Ron's defensive blows actually connected with O. j. It's possible that his hands actually hit the tree or the fence which were right there.

[–] tango09212 7 years ago

anything is possible but was there DNA on the tree or fence consistent w. that theory ? he had defensive marks as well as bruises on the knuckles on both hands , the police repeatedly say he had put up a terrific life and death struggle while being in the prime of his youth at being in top physical shape , to me it makes more sense that the bruises are consistent w/ him hitting the person while fighting for his life , there should have been at least scratch on OJ and there was none , to the above person asking me if i think OJ is innocent , that is not the legal standard , did they prove his guilt beyond "all : reasonable doubt , the lack of any marks in the face of the bruises proves that they d/n = not guilty

[–] reqsme 7 years ago

Here's an article explaining the wounds and lack of wounds on OJ from Ron in first part of article:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Coroner-Testifies-No-Punches-Landed-Wounds-on-3030438.php

It makes sense to me because the wounds on his knuckles looked like scrapes you would get by rubbing/brushing up against something rough when falling or flailing.

[–] haze58 7 years ago

Link doesn't work.

But I thought Ron was grabbed around the neck from behind and then stabbed.

In which case, he couldn't have injured his attacker.

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[–] tango09212 7 years ago

"Mr. Goldman put up even more of a fight, Dr. Baden said, suffering 22 stab wounds or more on his face and neck, chest and abdomen "depending on how one counted." A cut on his right shoe indicated that he even kicked the assailant.

While blood gushed from Mrs. Simpson's carotid artery, the doctor said, blood only oozed from Mr. Goldman's severed jugular vein, leaving him as much as 15 minutes to stand and fight for his life."

"In the afternoon, after a recitation of his voluminous credentials, Dr. Baden said Mr. Goldman had injured his knuckle from hitting someone, not while brushing against a tree or fence behind him. He theorized that a blow hard enough to harm Mr. Goldman would probably have been hard enough to leave a mark on his attacker. Mr. Simpson bore no such signs after the killings.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/11/us/victims-put-up-long-fight-a-witness-for-simpson-says.html

what makes more sense , he was fighting for his life and was hitting the guy causing bruises or he happen to fall and bruised both hands on the knuckles ? have you ever fallen and bruised both knuckles ? me either

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

I don't know where you're going with this. O. J.'s blood is at the crime scene and Nicole's blood is on his socks. Ron's blood is in his car. Obviously, none of us was there and can't explain exactly how it happened.

I don't understand why you're taking the position that O. J. isn't guilty because he doesn't have enough bruises.

[–] tango09212 7 years ago

b/c the lack of bruising or scratches is inconsistent w/ the physical evidence

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

It's like Tom Lange was saying when they were trying to figure out how blood got onto the passenger side of the car.

Sometimes you just have to say, "I don't know."

It doesn't mean that O. J. isn't guilty.

[–] haze58 7 years ago

b/c the lack of bruising or scratches is inconsistent w/ the physical evidence

What physical evidence are you referring to?

You mean this:

Dr. Baden said Mr. Goldman had injured his knuckle from hitting someone, not while brushing against a tree or fence behind him. He theorized that a blow hard enough to harm Mr. Goldman would probably have been hard enough to leave a mark on his attacker. Mr. Simpson bore no such signs after the killings.

How could Baden conclude the injury was caused by contact with the attacker's body?

Just ridiculous.

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[–] tango09212 7 years ago

if you were getting attacked and you had defensive wounds on your hands , as well as bruising on the knuckles of both hands the explanation that a guy who was fighting for his life more likely was hitting back at his attacker consistent w/ the bruisng of the knuckles , why would he not strike the guy attacking him ? explain the bruising of the knuckles while he is getting attacked ? what is the most logical explanation in light of the fact that goldman also had defensive wounds meaning he was defending himself , would you try to hit the guy who was stabbing you ? then why don't believe it that gold man did? the police said he put up a terrific struggle , yet you want us to believe he never hit the person attacking him yet he had bruises ? where are the scratches ? something consistent w/ a struggle ? there was none = not guilty

[–] haze58 7 years ago

you want us to believe he never hit the person attacking him yet he had bruises

Simple to explain.

If Ron was grabbed from behind and locked in a choke hold, OJ could stab him at will, and Ron would be unable to defend himself.

Ron would be flailing his arms and striking anything within that small space, except OJ, causing the damage to his hands

Plus it explains why OJ had very little blood on his clothes.

Remember, OJ had just received some Seal training, for the "Frogman" movie.

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[–] rmontro 7 years ago

How could Baden conclude the injury was caused by contact with the attacker's body?

Yeah, seems like conjecture to me. In that cramped a space, if you were fighting for you life, seems like you would accidentally hit the tree, the fence, or the knife while you were trying to make strikes.

[–] DrGerbil 7 years ago

I agree. The lack of bruising on O. J., while noteworthy, is hardly proof of his innocence.

[–] shwnbur77 7 years ago

right no bruises, lol just one big cut on finger from the murders