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I don't remember Rumsfeld being that charismatic...


But then again you have to be careful with Adam Mackay. In couching his movies as "based on a true story" you tend to underestimate the amount of story telling and filler fiction is in these.

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Rumsfeld always struck me as the most charismatic and charming of all conscience-deficient war-mongering scumbags (unlike say cold-fish Cheney). If he wasn't such a sociopath with the blood of several thousand on his hands, I'd probably have found him almost likeable.

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Sure, and I'm talking about a movie I saw last night.

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I am biased because I love Steve Carell, but I must admit that as much as I enjoyed the energy and charisma he brought to his role, I didn't find his casting and performance as credible as those of Bale, Adams and Rockwell (although the latter has always been such a no-brainer piece of casting as Dubya that there arguably weren't any real surprises to his performance, in contrast to the superb work done by Bale and Adams).

I get the impression that Carell was cast as Rumsfeld mostly because he is part of Adam McKay's unofficial repertory group (having appeared in the Anchorman films and The Big Short) rather than because of any real likeness and affinity to the part, but like I say, I still enjoyed Carell here. He plays Rumsfeld as an almost impishly amoral figure, like an irresistibly charming devil on Cheney's shoulder (although it's not long before Cheney outdoes Rumsfeld in the amoral stakes), which makes sense in terms of how the film portrays an initially directionless Cheney as being effectively seduced by Rumsfeld's charm into becoming a Republican.

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Three Billboards is superb. I've recommended it to many friends and family members and all have reported back positively on seeing the film. I'm pleased Rockwell and Frances McDormand won Academy Awards for that film.

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He wasn’t goofy but he was a charmer at press conferences and made Peoples most sexy list.

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Were you alive back then?

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Well damn??? Looks like I stand corrected. To be fair - I was not alive for his early career, I only remember him starting in the Bush II presidency. By then he was already approaching his 70s.

From what I recall he was a slow talking, straight arrow boring guy. I couldn't imagine him making the type of quick witted, profanity laden retorts that Carrell was making. Again, perhaps he did in his early years.

I had to fact check that he was on the shortlist for People's sexiest man alive. Sure enough he was in 2002, he was 70 years old at the time???

Still struggling to accept this... looking at old pics in his 20s/30s definitely, but this is not my recollection. Must be a glitch in my programming, no doubt to be resolved after the simulation is next restarted.

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He was seen as a sex symbol of the oldskool steak and martini 1950's America.

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Any time they make a movie about such despicable characters it is to glorify and whitewash them. This is a horrible movie, article was written explaining this better in the Guardian.

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I read his autobiography, Got the feeling he was more interested in bragging about some artificial sweetener he was involved with developing than anything else. The book was a bit crap overall.

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