They make them get abortions

We said the same thing.

I think that was only for the Sea Org people so they wouldn't be taken away from their work and the church wouldn't have to set up a system to look after babies/young children.

Try saying Scientology's no different from any other religion now, you pricks.

I just saw episode six and I had the most sympathies here but we need to digest these stories.


These kids getting abortions unlike nuns came to the church with their whole families and when the husband who over 19 unlike his wife living in those conditions stole the church property motor cycle, and church authorities were following out, I have sympathies and it's tough but it's not without thought.


If these people were having babies (and you have to remember this woman was seventeen and unlike nuns her whole family came to the church a certain way, and then the advantage at the beginning, might create an 'enemy' status where that person is shunned, but how else would it be possible for people with such a high level of involvement to leave?)

When that guy was complaining about the leader beating him up I had my sympathies but it was kind of funny how he was about to punch his pope in the face too and everyone thought it was funny.


The promotional videos, there is a line of thinking where if it gets people to care it will help people self regulate and honestly since some of the words are made up of course there is ambiguity.

Now regarding all these Scientology centers that are set up with no one there, I just did a search on yahoo.com. Maybe I should go to one. Well I haven't read it yet since I'm not even technically finished watching the episode, but the online aspect is marvelous to learn and then I don't even have to go there... but the irony is that the online strength is massive but it's hard to actually get information to go a facility.

But that's better for those of us that are scared because we're going to get a better deal online but I'm still researching this great religion and the online courses seem to be really beefed up.


Honestly if nun level people were allowed to have children, how do we prevent child molestation?

I find this information to be tolerable for a theology with a high level of bureaucracy if we think twice about the situation....


But not everything is perfect either. For example their leader seems to like to beat people up and there is a way it is funny but there is a way it is wrong too... because whatever the deal is, he would have to push that temper to a level where of course it would have to be a serious and major personal issue at times.

But that makes learning online for free even safer.

I have sympathies for that last couple but their story ended well. I think the prevailing religious undertone regarding the departure of the 19 year old is that if he was going to leave, they need to be 'ejected' in a way that he's sure of his decision... the departure has to be a grand departure for it to be real and for his mind to be prepared with assurety.

Because other information on Scientology paints their creator archetype as more concerned with this 'ejection' aspect to better circumstances. As such I believe that some of these practices may be their to strengthen the departure. They don't want people to leave with wavering un-effective minds.

If someone leaves it has to be a significant experience for them to start life anew with nothing from the Sea Org. Otherwise they would be susceptible to various abuses from other sources trying to get away.... but with a weighty purposeful departure they may have more strength to fight off the wolves when they are on their own.

Edit: In all due fairness I have to make a correction here.

So this is the issue. I was interested in checking out one of these Scientology centers in the NJ area and then I found their NJ website and it appeared to be extremely impressive with all of the information available, and there was no center location finder on the site... but most of that information was for sale and some courses are free if you sign up via email.

So the way I put it up with free online information is misleading once I started clicking on the links of their online website.

I can explain potential reasonability within the context of the show but not everything is going to pan out. The way I was thinking that the real estate purchases with undisclosed unavailable real estate purchases probably has a correlation to a stronger online presence with a multi billion dollar organization.... but whatever it is the online is presence won't be as strong as the initial impression clicking on the site, and I would expect an easier time finding a center... these are seeds of corruption that I would like answers to because it calls for more questioning.

Just out of curiosity, why are things done a certain way? It would be nice to know more about it if the information and reasoning is readily available or ascertainable.

I'm a guy that honestly I'm a Hindu. Lots of people say they are god comparatively to the more popular faiths in NJ and honestly sometimes compared to what people would expect the presumption is that if you want to be god, then why not, or it would almost favor them unless there is reason to doubt... because the idea is it's probably a fairly safe thing to do. We still have to be careful but just making someone god in and of itself would probably be fairly easy.

But with Jesus IMO there is a trick to illustrate a point that makes it really tough to do sincerely, even if the effort is sincere.

As someone from a predominantly Christian society with a different religious background, I might be getting carried away that it's just so so so easy to call L Ron god and not really think too much (by a code, someone that is the greatest to appear before me in some way, even if it's cheating or lying, or trying to be god in a way no one has, like space exploration, if they're the greatest, then they are the god that appeared before me in regards to that matter... or that's a workable code. L Ron is so easily god-able as would be expected for a man of that magnitude and then prominent figure in America there is a trick if you were looking at things along a certain line, so I may get carried away in a fervor...

But if I catch inconsistencies on my end, I'll try to be fair about it too.

That to me is the turning point of questions that can't be answered, though. The facilities do not appear to be readily available and I understand that material can be purchased. However, if they gave away more free information, it would help sales.

I want to know why is this institution so well guarded and not more open.

I saw four or five parts of the series thus far, and honestly, I think since I'm looking for equity I can find reasonability for most of the issues prevented... in a way that it wasn't the total scam it appears to be if you think twice... but just focusing on that aspect, the way they have the means and funds but it drips out so slowly, and with so much control, or that's the vibe I'm getting from the way the online material is presented without the strong ties to live institutions... and they have all this money and they could make more but why would they be trying to slow it down?

What would be the specific issues and matters of contention?

Maybe the leader just cannot handle a larger following... but I'm starting to understand that a lot of the controversy is not about the tenets but more about why is the information dispersed in such a discretionary manner?