How are they doing so well now?


Okay, so we've heard several stories of former Flag or SeaOrg members and how they finally decided and managed to leave. We know that many of them started as kids, never went to High School or College, never had any kind of real education, worked for "the church" 24/7 on 365 days a year. CoS provided for them in terms of housing and food and everything else and even if they made some money it was more of an allowance than an actual salary.

Then they manage to break away, they leave, sometimes secretly. All they have is what they are wearing and maybe a few more things and (if they are lucky) a few hundred bucks in their pocket. They have no formal education, none or very few friends on the outside, no bank account, pretty much nothing. At the age of 35-40 or so.

Then only a few years later each and every one of them has a great job, a large house with a yard, and all kinds of other stuff!? How?!

Is it really that easy for a former cult member without education or references to get a high-paying job, buy a house and a car and raise a fairy tale family?! I really don't get it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with it, good for them. It's just intriguing in a time where highly qualified people with college degrees struggle to get a job and make a life.

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I think the reason these people have become successful is because of the qualities they have that gets them to question their situation & do something about it. They have the strength. The weak ones stay, getting their brains fully washed day in & day out. Think about what kind of people they might have become if it weren't for the handicap of scientology. Aaron & Collin Smith-Levin (I think their names were) seemed like brilliant, handsome young men who could have written their own ticket.


Is it really that easy for a former cult member without education or references to get a high-paying job, buy a house and a car and raise a fairy tale family?! I really don't get it.


I don't think it's excessively easy for them, but I think the few people they do know on the outside would be very valuable resources for them. We're seeing them years after they've been out. Perhaps the first few weeks or months were extremely difficult; perhaps most folks give up, return to the familiar "torture", rather than try to live out here with all us SPs.

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I was wondering the same thing. They talk about having to spend a quarter million dollars apiece and how everyone has to drive crap cars and not have savings and spend all their money on the church, and everyone who has gotten out on the show has huge houses and nice cars and so on it seems. Maybe it is like the reply said, and also they are smart people and were able to get a great job. Also if their kids are in the church still and they don't have to provide for them, it's sad but true that could help them financially. I wish they would show some more families who have lost everything and haven't recovered as well to show the effects of Scientology. Bc the church could say these people have gotten rich off of bashing the church and made it their job, and may make people question their validity. Maybe that's a stretch but it did go through my head that if these people are getting rich off of exposing the church, it gives the church ammo. I don't know what these people do now for a job. Idk if they said it and I missed it or if they didn't say.

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I too was wondering how they lived so well. So far, they haven't spoken about how they recovered financially or what any of them do for a living. Rinder said he was a car salesman at some point. I'm guessing there are plenty of ex Scientologists who aren't doing so well. Not everyone will be strong enough to pull themselves together, especially if they're being harassed by the organization, or forced to disconnect from family.

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I imagine it couldn't have been too difficult. It's easier than you might think to get set up and if nothing else, the Church of Scientology DOES fill you with confidence because you ARE saving the whole damn world after all like some kind of freaking superhero (according to them)

But that's just a guess.

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I know that Mike Rinder is using his Scientology skills because he's quite the hustler. He gets donations through his blog too.

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Most of them have written books, right? That would be some money. Plus, the ones coming out of the Sea Org wouldn't have any debt. They all moved in with family or friends when they left. A couple both working with no debt can make a decent living.

For years they talked people into Scientology I'm sure they'd make persuasive salesmen.

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Most of them have written books, right? That would be some money. Plus, the ones coming out of the Sea Org wouldn't have any debt. They all moved in with family or friends when they left. A couple both working with no debt can make a decent living.

For years they talked people into Scientology I'm sure they'd make persuasive salesmen.


That's a good point on debt. I did not think about that, and I was assuming they were in lots of debt based on how Leah talked about people and how they afforded to pay for a lot of it. A couple with no debt can do well quickly if they don't have a lot to pay off. It can let you get a much bigger house than you might think. And someone else mentioned a book maybe. I think the way people are portrayed in the church as having no money bc they give it all to the church also helped people wonder about how they afforded it all. I also don't know how much before they left, and perhaps we're getting a lot more than they wanted people to know, and had some savings left over? Idk about that theory, just more thinking out loud. If they are on bashing the church, they certainly would not want people to know they got rich off it before they left. If that is even a possibility. Hell they could ha just worked hard and got a good job as far as I know. But it's an interesting question.

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I think part of the difference is Sea Org members - who have all their 'needs' met, make cents per day and receive free auditing - and regular parishioners who live and work in the real world and who pay their own way.

Most of the people they're interviewing are Sea Org people.

Some of them may have stumbled into some good paying jobs but the others - the ones who sign up as kids and who quit going to school - I have no clue what they would do career wise.

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They have made mention several times that for the ones that leave the Sea Org, although all their "needs are met" while in the Sea Org, when they leave they are given a "freeloaders bill". I don't think any one of them on the show has said they were actually given one though.
I wonder how many people who receive the bill actually pay it. They have said it can add up to a few hundred thousand dollars!



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For years they talked people into Scientology I'm sure they'd make persuasive salesmen.


No kidding. Dianetics is marketed to the public as a self-help book (in the 80's you couldn't escape that commercial with the volcano). When you're broken and desperate, you get gullible and that's who the recruiters prey on.

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It's takes a very strong-willed person to break away from such a powerful cult. That same strength could lead to a person being pretty successful out in the real world.

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Exactly what I was trying to say!

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I'm so glad someone asked this question. Mike Rinder's space seemed to be tidied up for the cameras as well. I was thinking they don't even have a college degree after last nights episode, how are they able to live where they are?

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Strong? How could they have been so weak to join in the first place? I'm hearing 20+, 30+, 46 years in throughout the documentary, like what the f----? How can someone spend 1 month in that ish and not see something wrong? Exception of those born and raised in it. Those adults who join and never have kids stay brainwashed for obvious reasons-- they have no life. No kids to pull them away. You pretty much lost your whole life to a cult.

Really, It took an assbeating by the "pope" to snap you out of it? Gosh I just want to laugh.

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I didn't get the impression Tom DeVocht was living high at all. I saw what looked like a cramp living space that was tidied up for the cameras. But I get your point about the ex-$cientologists generally.

I'm most curious about Rinder and the Headleys. Last night's guy, Mr. Smith-Levin, was working for a $cientologist-owned company and so was his wife, so they left with money-making skills of some sort. Rinder's situation is never really explained, and neither is the Headleys' (they have quite a nice house in a beautiful neighborhood).

I'm guessing family money comes into play here. Marc Headley, you'll recall, went to his non-$cientologist dad when he left the Sea Org. Maybe the Headley family has a successful business. Similar situations might apply to some others.

The people speaking out are, generally speaking, going to be people who have resources. Standing up to the cult can trigger costly harassment (surveillance, visits to neighbors and employers, legal harassment); a person isn't likely to do it unless she or he has some money to fight back and/or use as rainy-day fund when the cult ruins employment prospects.

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Most of the stories told involved the ones that escaped going off to other family members. So I'm sure that helped. Remember, many of these people came from middle class or upper middle class families.

Also, when you are in the Sea Org your tech and audits are free. Sea Org is like living in a monastery to become a clergyman. Everything is included but you are expected to stay and work off your debt.

Finally, I think many earn their GED and earn a living doing similar jobs on the outside.

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One other aspect of the Sea Org is that members often work 90 hours a week in service of Scientology at very little pay. They may not come out with a lot of money but they do come out with an unbelievable work ethic.

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Some of the ex-scientologists featured have been out for years, so they have had time to rebuild their lives.

Jeff Hawkins recounts in "Counterfeit Dreams" his struggles. After more than 30 years in he left with the clothes on his back, $500 "severance" from Scientology, and some money he inherited from his mother (he says only enough to live on for a few months.)

In his years in Scientology, he had experience in graphic design, publishing, and marketing, and landed a job at a small local California magazine, where they were astonished that he had little concept of taking time off, and even had to tell him to slow down in some instances. Eventually he worked his way up to start his own graphic design business.

In Scientology, Marc Headley became an expert in audio/visual equipment and gained much experience in audio/video production. He estimates that overall, he earned about 40ยข/hour.

But perhaps they were the lucky ones, gaining experience that was able to used in the real world. Others may not be so able to translate their skills to a real-world job. But if there is one thing that being a staff member or Sea Org member has taught them, it is how to work incredibly hard. And that has value.

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Then they manage to break away, they leave, sometimes secretly. All they have is what they are wearing and maybe a few more things and (if they are lucky) a few hundred bucks in their pocket. They have no formal education, none or very few friends on the outside, no bank account, pretty much nothing. At the age of 35-40 or so.


I wonder if they couldn't go to a public or private organization (maybe Catholic charities) and say they just left a cult, they have no money or a job, and are given money to get an apartment and get on their feet. I think people probably do that and maybe they did also, but for whatever reason they don't want to openly say it.

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