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First time -Watched 10 minutes right now. Lady was clearly wrong.

posted 7 years ago by nishivijay
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First time I saw it.

There is a story about a woman that gave hundreds of thousands to the church to learn secrets and then EVEN LIED and said she was giving donations she wasn't to get other people to contribute.

So obviously she's going to lose a ton and Ali didn't hate the Nation of Islam for the econonomic conditions of what he needed....

This woman complained that they kept on asking her for money and even used her credit card $1,500 bill once before she made them return it that day but she revealed on the show earlier that she LIED about 10,000 dollar donations to get other people to feel guilty and contribute more money.... this is the level of person you are dealing. Hindu, Catholic, Nation of Islam, with this person spreading curruption without thought it wouldn't matter, but scientology did something different.

They made her not like doing this stuff. That's right because of what she secretly confessed to doing herself... it was terrible and without knowing what she was supporting, but what religion could make good of it? But what other religion could turn it away? And that's the beauty of Scientology. If you do wrong stuff and pray for bad things, other than help you cuz you prayed like any other modern god, L Ron could bitch slap you cuz you went there dumb.

That really is what the difference is, but is a good needed difference.... If you plan to do bad things it's not that god will punish you somehow... this is a more direct idea that if you prayed to L Ron that way and wouldn't learn or at least do it smartly, the prayers will lead to a planned attack on you.... but that's better. A lot of good people prefer it that way and there is no other choice for that person.... but it's a real noticeable difference if you don't talk it away...

[–] tankgrrl29 7 years ago

If you're talking about the episode with Mary Khan, she wasn't lying about donating $10,000. When she said she was sent as a plant, she meant that she knew ahead of time that she would be donating in an attempt to encourage others to also donate.

Here is a quote from a fundraising policy:

"Pre-Regging: The next thing to cover as regards the Fundraising event is that in order to have a successful event it is very smart to have people handled ahead of time to donate at the event…. Pre-regging is a potent factor behind having a successful Fundraiser. Handle it that these pre-regged donations do not happen all at once at the event but are done when needed. Also, someone who has agreed to donate $20.000 can use his donation to play a game. Something like “I will do $1000 if 10 others do $1,000” can generate a lot of dough. A larger donator can do this several times through the course of an event. So your “Shills” (The technical term for someone who has agreed to donate in advance but appears to be doing it spontaneously) should be made aware they have a responsibility to use their donation to get others to donate as much as possible. Plan in advance to ensure your event is a success by having as much pre-regged as possible and used as above.” – Mark Arnold Executive Director, Church of Scientology Seattle"

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-fundraising-techniques-use-of-shills/

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

That's really interesting. Thank you for posting.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

it was strongly implied that she also LIED to get others to donate... but who is to say that is a lie.

Fundamentally Scientology is different from other religions because we are dealing with the only modern choice that attacks people for praying stupidly or not learning things.... but there are things we don't want to face, so maybe some would prefer this choice and that suffering because it is less harm.

I stopped after fifteen minutes, but I know what I saw. It was highly questionable for that word 'lie' and 'donation' to be intertwined the way they were, what really happened.

It's a great choice in the spectrum because it is the only choice regardless of who is running the church where the God can actually try to punish the person for asking poorly for help, or doing more harm than what needed to ascend.

I am a hindu, tons of deities, but nothing like this. The things that make it different make it a worthy choice.

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

Is English your second language?

You're writing is really poor.

[–] EmpressOfGlasgow 7 years ago

Muphry's law in full effect. 

It's spelled "Your".

[–] flutesandroots 7 years ago

It's spelled 'Murphy's'.

[–] EmpressOfGlasgow 7 years ago

Nope. Google Muphry's Law.

[–] flutesandroots 7 years ago

I stand corrected. I have learned something new.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

No, but I used to speak better English before I moved to America.

Now I'm American so please bear with me if you are from another Primarily English speaking country OR you are full of *beep*

Are you a protestant? This is why Protestantism is the truly stupid religion, off scale and not worth it.

A PROTESTANT could be smart but think of the protestant system.

There are 5 PROTESTANT churches in a small town feeding misinformation.

There is one Catholic church in a small town and whether or not they were feeding misinformation, with ties to the vatican the target lie would have to big... you ever heard the expression, if you are going to lie lie big because then the truth will be known more quickly or what you really wanted to know it would be easier to pass.

Catholocism through Jesus Christ is meant to befuddle and confuse so they have a lot of information from many time periods to compare and contrast to and a lot of bearacracy which is dangerous, but that is necessary when the central figure meant to confuse....

But let's say you are from a religiously broke country such as the United States, small town, five BSer Protestant churches because even if it was only four, how much for all of them to turn from a percentage. A catholic church where the lie would be big but it's thrown off by all the unnecessary interference from religious authorities who should have just made up their own system than make it now you can say anything you want to say off this confusion... and then buddhist and hindu temples where people are thrown off too, a jew temple and a muslim establishment which are also thrown off and not as much...

If someone tried to do that to L Ron since this god will attack people for praying stupidly on issues or asking for his help but not respecting his ways, so it wouldn't be so easy to terrorize Scientology like the Catholics have been terrorized and so have the rest of us by the stupidity of Protestantism.

If people attack Scientology, I may defend it by verbally attacking the Protestants through reasoning because they are a problem for me as a Hindu, personally.

And at least a masonic jew is lying about being a protestant but even that is not enough to keep moving forward if we want the human genome to remain a reasonable quality world wide.... over a thousand years of this stupidity, just arguing knowledge away with less understanding than the other guy.

[–] justanicknamed 7 years ago

Catholocism through Jesus Christ is meant to befuddle and confuse so they have a lot of information from many time periods to compare and contrast to and a lot of bearacracy which is dangerous, but that is necessary when the central figure meant to confuse....

How much did it hurt to pull THAT out of your anus?

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

This is a normal religion.

Think with a pure heart.

And then when you read Christianity, Jesus Christ passages, he might start talking about the evils that lie in the heart.

And with time, someone might gain a nuanced understanding... but the bible is clearly not written as simply and plainly as most other religious sources, whatever that scale is... because they might not be written so simply and plainly but the bible has several challenging notions to challenge the first thought....

That is why the Catholic church and Vatican established a highly ordered bureaucracy to convey the information. It will help a reasonable seeker get real answers...

But without that things are flattened. Anyone can say anything but it is not the same. All this misinformation floating around in American society, just all over the place, how much wouldn't be tolerated, or the ridiculous nature of the decay of information in the States, how much would be preventable without the prevailing Protestant dogmas? They're just not sure what they believe or even sure why it would be pertinent but collectively they're very quick to think they can tell the other guy...

Really honestly if a Protestant is confused about a specific issue, it won't be the same over time if they go to the Vatican.

Because the initial notions were designed to confuse. Without a clear cut answer it is a house of cards where anyone can say anything.

I'm not saying religion is easy to understand, but lots of information that could be conveyed through a Catholic church may explain issues in the bible where the way it's written, it's hard to say what is up or down. Because the bible was initially designed to be used within that system and there are two other non Christian major religions (jews and muslims know about them) for the same god anyway, but the information isn't conveyed in a manner that would favor a strong bureaucracy for understanding.

It's hard to talk to people that insist everything is the same, and I hope you are not one of those people, but the bible clearly is a more confusing place to start than these other books, and it was clearly designed for a particular system.

I'm not the same person I used to be... I'm pretty militant these days... because people keep on letting something slide thinking what is the harm, but the standard keeps on decreasing... it's not going to maintain and the way the standard of reliable information is low in the United States, it just keeps on degrading because people insist on letting things go...

If any religion is turning the social sway towards this lack of care for solid reliable information it would be the prevailing religion(s) in America, Protestantism. It would not be Scientology... but it's hard to even stand on solid grounds with the level of misinformation and people keep on letting it slide forgetting that tomorrow will be going towards the wrong direction and a *greater* decline.

Really though, beyond religion, Americans need to stop accepting and propogating bad information. Any religious sway towards this acceptance must be transmuted or conveyed.

It wouldn't be sensible for every Protestant to turn Catholic tomorrow, but at least be mindful that there may be a day or an important personal issue where the only way to gain solid footing on Biblical issues in the modern days space and time is the Catholic church... at least for the really confusing stuff. Because honestly since the Bible was designed for the Catholic system it was designed to be confusing or for your to think twice so that a lot of other information nuanced to so many chosen perspectives could be conveyed....

Speaking straight up what I'm saying is that the bible was designed to be askew so that information could be filled up through the Catholic church to convey nuances and Protestantism doesn't have the under belly to support that material *at all times* or at least admit that other Christians should need and use them sometimes, because they probably shouldn't exist at all without them.

Edit: I forgot to say this but what about Mormonism? I don't know much about their texts and have never read it, but Jesus Christ is a central figure and they are not Catholic but they created their own literary material.

To use for all intents and purposes a Catholic style bible without the rest of the system is very un-purposeful and it's ruining our genome and our collective understanding and it's spilling out beyond Protestantism to the masses (not self contained) and if any religious influence could give an explanation for the prevalence and propagation of the misinformation flooding American society (for 50+ years) to the point we don't even have grounds to stand on or remember what the American nature is, it would be Protestantism.

So many simple things will not be understood and to simp off of Catholicism a certain way foisted a criminal level of misunderstanding on humanity... and it could be reasonable in another place or another time but modern day America is unreasonable with the level of misinformation and it's clearly Protestantism that's throwing us off and it's easy to understand why.

[–] justanicknamed 7 years ago

Wow. You took a whole lot of words to simply say that you are mad that the simplicity of the Bible, "Do unto others" is too complex for you to understand.

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

I believe you spoke better English before you came to the United States. Many people residing in the US do not speak proper English because it isn't enforced.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

It's not really important but thank you for believing me.

I just don't think it's write to put people down without trying to elevate the bar.

I feel that people that downplay my English do very little to stand out. I think some may feel that is a form of kindness not shining too brightly but I think that makes the situation more mean and the world more flat and more boring.

We need to spice things up or up our game if we start challenging each others in certain ways... or we'll decay.

But thank you for believing me. My English is very acceptable for the American standard.

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

I have a feeling your speaking English is very good.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

Thanks. It's amazing. I can freestyle rap like Eminem. My English speaking spills are fine for a reasonable American Standard.

With all seriousness I really appreciate this comment after the discussion we've been having. It makes me feel better and it's much appreciated. Very kind of you.

It's kind of tough being American nowadays, because what's more important than Patriotism is fixing our fundamental decline... Certain things are broken that people have been looking the other way at a lot of under law contamination for awhile and the level of misinformation is unacceptable...

I was watching That Seventies Show on IFC in this mindset and it becomes so political... because that show was about 15 years into it and things were openly hinted at first season, but you would have to fill in the blanks to explain the show thereafter and then it's more about the criminal element molesting society... Then Randy comes on the show and pretends to be Donna's boyfriend and he's American in a way that Fez isn't but he won't take a little cut... Fez for example doesn't like him because he picked up on something... For example Randy tries to be as funny as he can be and Fez is hinting you can't be the funniest all the time because someone might want it more, so you cut them down.... or you could inspire them.... So Randy is the natural American living his allotment in life but the rest take a cut.... Donna is somewhat interested if Eric rejects her but he is a place holder so that a under law element becoming more criminal can't steal her in a more ridiculous way... but if you look at the show and see the heightened acceptance of privacy invasion and letting things go, it's because the under law got super molestery....

It's also like Racism in America... I'm not calling you a racist but I guess you're giving me a reason to self promote if I take the opportunity... and I posted one of my freestyle raps on Morris from America (starring Craig Robinson from Hot Tub Time Machine) and the guy starting the thread was racist against blacks... but in a way that he was racist against American Nationals and their innate tendencies and advantage...

In the sixties after Communism blaming, the molestery Americans took over the under law by lying about natural genetic advantages of the American people and hiding their natural strengths and weaknesses... A lot of society high jacking was promoted with space program (or regardless of involvement these guys know mentioning "NASA" they will get their way) and people were told wrongly about their innate genetic potentials...

Because of this it's unnatural and Americans will put up with stuff they shouldn't.... so someone could get a job they may have wanted more but been more inferior at, and it's no longer school where a little bit doesn't matter and then maybe it should go to the person that worked harder for the prestige... It was the communists were fighting within but they were committing wrongs to do it but it's getting ridiculous up in here and these under lawyers have been harassing me but not directly after Hillary lost and I want it to keep up....

But anyway that's the problem with American racism... which I'm not accusing you of bringing forth but if you took it to that level it's harder to say.... it makes Americans feel ashamed of their strengths as American nationals and we all take a dive and in That Seventies Show time everyone except Kelso (who faced the most harm for engaging in the most sex with those surrounding conditions) tried to pick and choose where they could matter... except Randy, the one that faced the most prejudice if he stuck around because he wanted his full allotment, and he wouldn't take a dive for what would be American Communism but that was also why they were laughing at us so that's why it's hard to say... but it should be said because it cannot be justified with Capitalist values.

Whatever it is, we shouldn't take it all away, and if someone is racist in a way that every race gets set back, that person should change for what is possible.

[–] shoppermom26 7 years ago

This last post was the only one I could understand easily. I am sorry but your other posts were extremely difficult to follow because it read nonsensical. This past post had none of those syntax and grammatical issues.

[–] pcp999 7 years ago

I would suggest that everyone who keeps attacking this poor guy's English when it's clearly not his native language go take a crack at posting something in Hindi. If you don't want to do that, try keeping it on the subject matter and not continually harp on his English.

Frankly, from some of you people's posts, you could use a refresher course in the language yourselves....

[–] justanicknamed 7 years ago

I try to take it easy, but, at the same time, you have to know that the more you type in a language you aren't fluent in, the worse it is.

There are reasons why I don't post on sites which are based in non-English first language countries.

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

Why don't you go pound sand you miserable flounder.

[–] animerika 7 years ago

Are you a protestant? This is why Protestantism is the truly stupid religion, off scale and not worth it.

Are you judging someone and using "protestant" as an insult just because you didn't like his comment? (Just trying to guess)

If people attack Scientology, I may defend it by verbally attacking the Protestants through reasoning because they are a problem for me as a Hindu, personally.

I'm really trying to understand your posts, I'm still learning English too, I'm working on it but I'm having a hard time trying to understand you.

But what I get from this is "If someone attacks Scientology, I will defend it by attacking protestants because they are a problem for me".

How does that make any sense?!

What do protestants have to do with anti Scientology groups? Your level of hate towards protestants is out of hand, it's so weird.

I can understand someone disliking Protestantism, but hating it while defending and enforcing a cult like Scientology?!

This is really shocking and creepy.

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[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

I pray you go to school because your writing is incoherent. Sentence structure, paragraphs, commas all have a purpose.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

What you need for coherence is understanding, and you may be intentionally stupid to get your way in some form.

[–] Melancholy11 7 years ago

You calling me names only proves it more that you need school.

[–] PunkynPye 7 years ago

I approached your (many) paragraphs with a desire to understand your point, and hopefully learn something new. Alas, I've come away agreeing with the other comments that were critical of your writing style. The way you create run on sentences, with no structure or end in sight, makes it all a lot of gibberish. I have no doubt of your high intelligence, but I also see your arrogance. Take a night class in writing-it'll help you put all of your very large, meaningful words in the right order.
Oh, and I'm not Protestant, nor Catholic.

[–] esmad3-216-475224 7 years ago

The Christian church had the authority to punish people as they saw fit as well. We call that period The Dark Ages. If we still had it like you describe you certainly would have been deemed an evil person yourself, for praying to a man who isn't JC, and would have been the victim of such an attack. Society abandoned your idea of good religion a long time ago in this part of the world. You can look to Saudi Arabia or Iran to find your idea of good religious practices, some guy beating you with a stick for saying the wrong thing or wearing the wrong clothes.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

If I prayed to Jesus Christ, anyone can appear. It is not even the same person.

The way Christianity is different requires a specialized understanding or a lot of pretending.

[–] TalulaGrey 7 years ago

Nishivijay---> You are a moron. All religion is toxic. All religion is poison. Bugger you and your hindu religion, and especially your very poorly written English.

[–] nishivijay 7 years ago

Well you don't simp off the next guy's religion.

These guys are confused with no answers because they stole a confusing system with thousands of years of recorded information attached and then what comes out of their mouth, it's not practical and they get authoritative with people that know more.

Protestantism is different because it's an incomplete system... if you really think of all these localities that are drowned out by it, a confusing system with nowhere to get a clear answer, the misinformation these guys will accept, propogate and set forth in society is on another level....

And when I talk this way, it's not like Scientology where it could be one thing or another thing... The message is clear.

Protestantism which America wallows in is the reason these people think they can tell off my writing and put no effort forward to write well... just shut it down but don't raise the bar or put forth any reason to even enter the discussion.

It is different because they simped of another confusing system where even if the guy in charge was bad, how many generations are recorded for other sources to go to?

The jesus story is confusing and ten commandments based religions could have many other figures that aren't so innately confusing to serve a purpose or demonstrate a point and it's not the same... how could society get so bad where people bash my English and put forth that pitiful effort without the misunderstanding effect of Protestantism.

It's unnatural, whoever you are, for you to come at me like that with such weak game and see no problem with it.

[–] PunkynPye 7 years ago

And when I talk this way, it's not like Scientology where it could be one thing or another thing... The message is clear.

Yes, clear as mud.

[–] TalulaGrey 7 years ago

nishivijay---> Syntax my boy, you need to be able to put together a sentence that makes sense. AND you also need to work on semantics. I can't believe you used the word 'simp.' It's as though you are taking English on-line and the people teaching you are using 'hipster-made-up-words' so they can sound cool.

Yes I bashed your English because for the most part, I can't understand what you are saying. I would NEVER blather on about religion (of all things) if I couldn't do it in the language I was most comfortable. You make a concerted effort but what the hell are you actually saying?

It is not unnatural for me to tell you that you are a moron for going on about religion. It is not a weak game for me to say such things to you because I honestly believe that religion is a gross lie that was placed upon humans by other humans so that they could have power and control over everyone.

[–] flutesandroots 7 years ago

I'm not sure whether I agree with this or not. The post is so incoherent, I have no idea what its trying to say. If the poster is a Scientologist, however, it explains a great deal.