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Why is there no activity on this board? Especially with all the commotion around the Trump presidency, I'dd expected there atleast something going on here....

Is there any place where this documentary is being discussed?

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This is such a weird documentary. It does not make anything clearer, and only offers glimpses of some useful approach to making sense of the world right now. It is full of very tenuous links and seems to shuffle around between an impossibly broad array of topics, brought together only by the not altogether earth-shattering observation that politicians and institutions tell stories about the world to manipulate public consciousness. Unfortunately, the analysis is not very focused. Curtis prefers to use abstracting terms and images to make things seem more sinister and less mundanely human than we might otherwise imagine them to be. In some of his films this destabilizing technique helps us see something more clearly, but here it seems almost comical, as with the discussion of the revolutionary impetus for the Arab Spring somehow materializing out of cyber-space itself. I really like a lot of his other work, particularly Bitter Lake, but I think he did not put enough time or thought into this.

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Here's the sense I got

- What politicians tell us is increasingly divorced from reality
- Social media clusters people into polarised bubbles
- Ideology is stronger than wishful thinking
- The Middle East is complicated

So the OP probably can find where it is being discussed but, as a consequence if Curtis is right

- The truth is hard to find, in fact much of modern politics is actively trying to muddy the waters
- There are competing narratives that explain the issue in opposing ways
- You'd end up on a board that belongs to one side or the other
- This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning

... Sanity and Happiness are an impossible combination ...

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- You'd end up on a board that belongs to one side or the other

Sadly, you're very likely right.


Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me.

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You have basically described Curtis' style in a nutshell. Yes, he does stretch at times with his links, but he there is nobody who makes documentaries like him, they are cynical, depressing and sinister, but they are also genius in their use of archival footage and music to weave a mesmorizing visual pastiche. He is the Radiohead of documentary film makers.

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Surrender Dorothy!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg
Just watch the parody to understand his technique.

He doesn't have a deep understanding, he only provides glimpses into the past with his stock footage, which is interesting, but his strained attempts to weave it together into a narrative are forced, effectively conspiracy theory.

He completely missed the boat at the end with the Trump part, claiming journalists were truth tellers, when they were quite the opposite.

He completely missed the boat on the echo chamber effect the left demanded come into existence, in fact it was part of their "safe space" ideology.

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Thanks for the link to the parody, Yavoyavo - I was sorely in need of a good laugh after watching 160 minutes of cynicism, disillusionment, carnage and chaos.

I don't agree, however, that Hypernormalisation was nothing but "a late night drunken Wikipedia binge" - I think it made some very pertinent observations. In particular, that politicians and activists have been gradually retreating from the changing the world, to merely seeking to stabilise it or tinker with it.

There really is a growing poverty of vision, a poverty of ambition, across the political spectrum, and it isn't just the establishment but those deemed outsiders. I found it very striking, for example, that the British Left seemed to be overwhelmingly pro-Remain in the EU referendum, even though they had a long history of Euro-scepticism. Ask them why and they'd often say it's because we need the EU to protect workers' rights or the environment. But isn't this just another kind of defeatism? That we are so pessimistic about our own ability to campaign for workers' rights and environmental protection that we need a vast supranational organisation to do it for us?

"I have excellent peripheral vision. On a good day I can see my ears"

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The parody video is great.

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I think you accurately described the glaring ease to critique this doc. It had the pace, and lack of depth, of a project thrown together all too quickly. As if it were forced into existence to frantically counter the natural sensibilities of the indignant masses. I expected, and received, much more from Curtis with his other projects. But I fear he, like many of the intelligentsia, leapt before looking, and never bothered to consider the selective moral outrage so prevalent in this years (2016) political tsunami.

what ails most madmen is realitys grasp or escape, a paralysis of analysis

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The archive footage and music are tedious and turgid. If people have to interpret the message - its already missed the point. There is no clarity of thought around a theme it is just a mishmash of halfbaked ideas.

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We should have the ability to protect our own jobs? Are you serious? The Conservative govt has removed virtually all workers rights while at the same time allowing hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers into the country. The people outside the intellectuals and London intelligentsia said *beep* this Jack and voted us out of Europe. Same has happened in US - the common man may not be able to demonstrate strength through unions but they can through the ballot box.

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Pretty crazy to think the major wars involving the west in the last 100 years originated from faulty intelligence or lies. Why do we trust politicians its stupid

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