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Did it break even yet?

posted 5 years ago by alienzen (1929)
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Did it??

Yes...thanks to international.

It's really underperforming to expectations domestically and there are no signs of it stabilizing. HUGE week-to-week drops for a family film in the middle of summer.

Many pundits and observers wondered if TLK could have been the biggest domestic film of the year just a few months ago. Boxoffice.com famously predicted a 650 million domestic finish.

It won't even get close to that. Then again, they were the same people that predicicted Mary Poppins Returns would hit 360 million domestic.

Lol

[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

They also predicted infinity war would make 650m. They were even more off with that one!

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

If you are just looking at this domestic performance, it's understandable why you would be wondering if it's hit the break-even point. It's just vanishing in this country.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Just looking at domestic performance is stupid. How many films reach $400 million domestically per year? Not many. How many films cost over $150 million per year? A lot more.

Big budget movies always rely on worldwide receipts. Otherwise there would be no big budget movies.

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

It was originally thought that 400 million would have been passed in the blink of an eye domestically and yet it's kind of trudged over that line out of breath and about to collapse.

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

Queen.

I was thinking Have you given any thought to Maybe changing your trolling from Disney Films to perhaps their upcoming Streaming Service?

before you rule it out, Just think about it, It may in fact be the ONLY possible way for you to have any success trolling....

as we seen, You are having ZERO success trolling on Disney Films....Instead you have the pure hell of watching Disney films constantly Surpass every "Goal" you set for them and eventually have to leave every board in Shame

Again it cant be easy watching Disney have the greatest year in Hollywood History and Produce 5 Films that Top 1 Billion + in the span of 8 months as you TRY and FAIL to troll on all of them literally going "0 for at least 30"

So My thought would be, why not change your focus to "Disney+" the streaming Service as This is the 1 possible thing that is Disney related that you might have a little time to actually troll on?

Right now, Your fighting an unwinnable fight, Disney Is So far and ahead of every other Studio when it comes to movies, I mean after all This will be the 7th out of 8 years Disney has Easily won the most successful Studio, Disney has produced 90%+ of all films that have topped 1 Billion + in that time...Disney Makes more profit off 1 film that others studio do on every film combined in a year...

You just have no hope trying to Troll Disney Movies as Disney is The Dominate Studio that is not just on top of the mountain but Literally is the mountain...

But, Ironically, If you switched Tactics to Trolling on Disney+ the streaming service....You would be in a much better position to troll as Disney+ is NOT the top of the mountain....Instead NETFLIX is THE MOUNTAIN

essentially you would reverse the awful , hopeless position you are in right now...

Instead of having to try to Fight an Unwinnable fight by constantly Losing trying to troll against The most Dominate Studio in The world...

you could actually maybe have a few good years of trolling and actually being right that "Disney+ isnt as big or successful as Netflix"

Basically, In this rare case, "Netflix is the Disney" of the streaming world....

Where Disney Is The KING and brings you nothing but Pure in Hell in The movie world..

Netflix could be your only real chance at trolling success considering Netflix is the king of the streaming world and at least starting out Disney is going to be behind them...

anyway, Its quite Odd thats its gotten to this point where I actually now have to give you trolling advice...but I'm just going to be honest....With The kind of dominance Disney is having, and the absolute "0 for" streak you are currently on trying to fight Disney's 2019.....

I think something has to be "Shook up".

I mean you cant enjoy your current situation....

You cant honestly say the last 8 month of truly nothing but shame,failure and embarrassment where you've had to Abandon,run and hide from 5 different boards in Shame have what you were going for right?

I do not believe you are smart enough to change your fate on your own....therefor I'm actually trying to give you some advice here

and truly the only advice there is, Is to Change tactics....

Theres no hope of honestly expecting anything to change for you on The Movie front...Disney has dominated for a decade now and clearly is set up to dominate for another decade....

its not exaggeration to say if you continue on with the same trolling your going to be looking at the same fate of watching Disney Dominate year after year, while you try to troll on such Obvious Incredibly successful films that eventually reach a point where you have to run and hide in shame

at least, changing tactics and Going to "Disney+" would give you a real chance at having success.,,,now again Theres no telling how long that would be, but theres certainly no denying "Netflix" is the dominate force in Streaming(or Netflix is "The Disney of The streaming world"

anyways...Just a thought after seeing your lasting moving of the goal posts....

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

Hilariously you've now went to "It didnt make 650 M like boxoffice.com predicted"

this is quite a Jump,

1st, It was "It wont open huge"

2nd was "Its got a break even point of 820"

3rd was "so what it made 1 Billion, This is TLK, it was expected"

4th was "This is a once in a generation IP it should beat BATB"

Then in The last week, It finally started to hit you, TLK is going to top BATB(you were only 2 weeks late here as most everyone else knew this after Opening weekend)

but in the last week you went from

5th, "TLK should have a profit closer to 400 M than 150 Million"...lol without realizing TLK is already guaranteed to make at least 300 M in profit

6th then it changed to ..."TLK should beat BATB by a country Mile"

to now finally 7th....."TLK isnt going to hit boxoffice.coms 650 Million projection" hilariously you are quoting a site you have claimed a dozen + times Is "not accurate"

once again I repeat, It can be fun for you having to go to these lengths to try and claim such an obvious successful film actually really isnt successful...

You cant enjoy having to literally "Change your Mark 7 times" because the film keeps hitting and surpassing marks you set...

My only advice is again....stop fighting an unwinnable fight against Disney movies....Change tactics to Disney+ where Disney Is NOT The KING ....

PS

also just wanted to note your final "moving of the goal posts" where you claimed "TLK isnt going to hit boxoffice.coms 650 Million projection" .....

Is yet again another Trolling fail that damaging FILMS you like more than The actual Disney film you were trying to troll....

Ready Player One
Shazam
Justice League
Tomb Raider
The Grinch
and among a dozen other films you defended did NOT hit "their boxoffice.com projections"

as usual, You are ONLY damaging yourself and films you like by getting desperation and "Not thinking before trolling"....

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

$400 million will always be a difficult line to cross no matter what you claim people think will be passed in "the blink of an eye." The small number of films that have crossed $400 million domestically does not lie.

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

Most films are not a platinum IP like The Lion King.

Look at it this way: if 400 million is such an impressive milestone in this case, then if it didn't make a single penny more than what it's made so far(431 million) wouldn't that total be seen as a crushing disappointment? Be honest...you KNOW it would. That's not such rarified air for a film like this and YES it was expected to fly past that number not kinda trudge past it huffing and puffing with continually huge percentage drops. Combine that with being a family film with no real competition in the summertime and it looks even worse.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

"Platinum IP" isn't a measurable concept. There is no correlation between a platinum IP and a $400 million domestic take.

"Look at it this way: if 400 million is such an impressive milestone in this case, then if it didn't make a single penny more than what it's made so far(431 million) wouldn't that total be seen as a crushing disappointment? Be honest...you KNOW it would."

$400 million domestic is the milestone. Not $400 million. If TLK somehow made $430 million domestically and made $0 in foreign markets, it wouldn't be TLK that would be considered a disaster. It would be the entire movie industry. All of Hollywood would flip on its head if such a thing were possible today.

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

I was, obviously, talking about domestic WITH whatever huge amount it made overseas. I didn't say that I it wouldn't still be financially successful, but if it made a total of only 431 milion domestically it would be considered a "crushing disappointment" DOMESTICALLY.

[–] furiousstyles (4359) 5 years ago

Why would it ?

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

Oh...I dunno...maybe since that would be about 75 million short of Beauty and the Beast?

[–] furiousstyles (4359) 5 years ago

So, its made over a billion, why woukd it be crushing disappointment? Are you just makimg things up as you go along? Or have you spoken to disney execs and did they tell you of this crushing disappointment

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Your whole premise is based on a non-existent metric. Remakes of "platinum IPs" do not typically make $400 million domestically. If so, then name them. So far we just have BATB and TLK. And you're sitting here claiming TLK should've had more because... reasons. Instead of obfuscating with circular logic, just show us the damn remakes that made $400 million.

Otherwise it sounds like you're confusing remakes with sequels of large franchise films. Sure, a huge IP like a flagship Star Wars or Jurassic Park film could be seen as a failure for only making $400 million domestically. But a remake? There's no metric that a movie we've all seen before must absolutely hit $400 million. That metric only exists in your mind... for some reason.

Of course, you could prove me wrong by showing all the "platinum IP" remakes that made $400 million domestically. But somehow I doubt you will.

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

BATB made 505 million
This was expected to make much more than that. If it stalled at 431 million it would be a "crushing disappointment".

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

This was expected to make much more than that. If it stalled at 431 million it would be a "crushing disappointment".

^^^

are you now BLIND as well as delusional?

TLK is going to be at 473 Million domestically after this weekend?

where are you getting Stalled?

Its easily going to cruise past 500 MILLION+

Look I get that That TLK has Met and Surpassed every single "Mark"you've , which Is 7 in total, You've literally had to Move the goal posts 7 times now because TLK keeps hitting Marks you dont think it can hit...

but at this point, Theres ONLY 1 option for you....your just going to have to be happy being in a "Party of 1" because at this point, The TLK's box office is at a point where NO ONE other than you is going to claim its anything but a Grandslam...

You are more than within your right to continue to FAKE Troll out of spite...but your not going to find a single box office site or analyst that agrees with you that a 510 M+ domestic total, 1.350 Million + WW , and it being The highest live action remake of all time is anything but a Grandslam....

and again, by far the most telling part is, you made your "standards" very clear on TLK, before you were forced to move the posts 7 times, You could not have been more clearer that TLK needed to top BATB to live up to expectations, again you've since changed your stance 7 times, but at the beginning, because your so awful at forecasting where a film will end up, You set the "standard" TLK needed to top BATB, You did this because you thought it was a "Unreachable" goal.....you did not see any way TLK would be able to top BATB so thats where you set your "Mark".

Its quite fitting that Ultimately TLK is easily going to Surpass the Mark you original set because you thought it was "Unreachable"

bottom line, Usually by now you've abandoned the board it shame once the said Disney film as Surpassed all your "Marks"....but every now and Then for some reason you really "dig in" and take a trolling Topic to heart, example being what you did with "Captain Marvel not beating wonder Woman domestically"....

It seems TLK is going to be another one of the cases, for some reason its really KILLING you that the TLK has surpassed all your Marks and Fake trolling, for whatever reason you just cant let this one go, and You are going to troll no more how successful the film is, but again I just want you to know....In doing so, in "digging in"....your left with only the Unfortunate option of "Being in a Party of 1"....unfortunately for you TLK is so Successful now, That everything you say to try and troll on it is going to be an opinion thats only shared by you....

basically I could go troll on Avatar right now, I could claim "it stalled at 2.7 Billion and couldnt get to 2.8 Billion" and Thats disappointing and Embarrassing....

anybody can troll on an obvious successful film....but the problem is, You Will be in a "party of 1"...I can claim Avatar should have made more, but Literally NO ONE else will agree and my statement Will be looked at as DUMB...

hilariously thats were your at, You can continue FAKE TROLLING on TLK but due to the films incredible success, Your statements are just the ramblings of a LONE IDIOT...No one else Will agree, Fittingly TLKs success has put you in position where your only 2 options are to leave The board in Shame like you did with CM,EG,Aladdin and TS4....Or have fun in you "Party of 1"

lol

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

"This was expected to make much more than that. If it stalled at 431 million it would be a "crushing disappointment"."

Again, you're using BATB as the metric for TLK. I already explained the reason behind BATB's success. It was for both families and little girls (and mothers reliving their youth with their daughter). TLK had the family aspect, but did not have little boys or girls desperately wanting to see a remake of a 90s movie.

In order for TLK to be a "crushing disappointment," you're going to have to prove that remakes typically do better than $430 million domestically. Because right now all you have is BATB being a monumental success. Failing to match the monumental domestic success of one movie does not equate to another being a crushing domestic disappointment.

[–] ranmast (620) 5 years ago

If you need another (of the hundreds you already have) proof you are an imbecile Queen, just look at this chart:

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=bbjunglealice.htm

As you can see, TLK has a domestic advantage of 45+ millions over BATB until Thursday. And TLK is making consistently more money each day. So, as it is obvious for everyone but for butthurt Disney haters like you, there will be no crushing, no disappointment, no imaginary under-performances... Nope, TLK will pass BATB in every way. Numbers, real numbers, are the best proof you are an idiot.

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

As you can see, TLK has a domestic advantage of 45+ millions over BATB until Thursday. And TLK is making consistently more money each day. So, as it is obvious for everyone but for butthurt Disney haters like you, there will be no crushing, no disappointment, no imaginary under-performances... Nope, TLK will pass BATB in every way. Numbers, real numbers, are the best proof you are an idiot.

^^^

This is Game,Set Match for Queen...

because While Theres no doubt Queen Will continue to move the goal post no matter what TLK makes(Queen is currently on his 7th "New Goal" he has set, He's literally had to change "his Mark" for TLK 7 times now because TLK keeps hitting and surpasses numbers he sets)....but The point is.....NOTHING Queen says after a film opens can be taken seriously...

actually NOTHING Queen says at anytime can be taken seriously, But The point I'm trying to make is, Queen's hatred for Disney is so great, He's forced to keep FAKE trolling to matter how successful the Disney film is.......The ONLY "stance" you can somewhat hold Queen to is whatever he predicted BEFORE the film opened...

everything AFTER the film opening is Queen just BUYING TIME and Fake Trolling...

in TLKs case, Queen thankfully couldnt have been any clearer when it came to "Judging TLK"....BEFORE the film opened Queen set the standard that TLK needed to top BATB to live up to expectations.

Queen set that "Mark" because He truly believed TLK could NOT achieve that goal....

Every single thing AFTER The film opened from Queen, All 7 "Moving of the goal posts" is nothing but Queen BUYING TIME....He doesnt want to admit TLK easily met his expectations, He doesnt want to admit TLK is a Monster hit...So He's BUYING TIME by continuing to move the goal posts to new goals...

But Ultimately it really doesnt matter, Because NOTHING Queen says AFTER a film opens matters....

right now Queen has finally reached the point where He now using boxoffice.com's 650 Million Projection to try to claim TLK under performed...now setting ahead for a moment that, Queen never once mentioned this until TLK passed all 6 of his other "Marks" he set, and setting aside Queen has Made fun of me and others countless time for using bo.com saying bo.com is "so inaccurate"...

setting aside all that, I wont even entertain Queens desperate bo.com claims....

had Queen set this goal BEFORE the film opened, then he'd have a leg to stand on, But Queen only went to this desperate option after All other Attempts at trolling failed...

Queens ONLY statements that can be taken even remotely seriously is his Prediction BEFORE the film opened...

and Hilariously has you pointed out, there is "no crushing, no disappointment, no imaginary under-performances"

Queen Set a "Mark" for TLK BEFORE it opened....and TLK has easily surpassed Queens marks in everyway

at this point, NOTHING Queen says AFTER a film opens matters in the least....

PS

A perfect example of this is Queens FAKE trolling on Endgame....

I get that Queen was deeply upset and in a rage over EGs record OW....and needed to troll to ease the pain...

But His fake trolling of "Too bad in only made 350 M instead of 358 Million" was a DEATH BLOW for him

I have no clue how Queen didnt understand that Making that thread completely cut his legs out from under him....By making that thread, By saying something that absurd, Queen actually proved "it truly didnt matter how much a film made, A film could literally have the greatest and biggest Opening of all time and he's still claim Its disappointing"

theres simply nowhere to go after that...when you literally troll on a film that had the greatest success of all time, you prove your FAKE trolling

anyways the whole point is....you nailed it....TLK is going top BATB in every possible way and Thats the "Mark" Queen set....Queen Loses....TLK make between 400 to 500 M in Profit!

[–] Tyalt (280) 5 years ago

"So far we just have BATB and TLK"

Umm... Don't forget Aladdin! How did it do? I'm actually curious. Just noticed you left it out of the list, so I commented.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

TLK surpassed Aladdin. Which is kinda my point. Queen is saying TLK should be considered a failure for failing to match BATB. It doesn't add up.

[–] Tyalt (280) 5 years ago

Ahh okay

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

TLK surpassed Aladdin. Which is kinda my point. Queen is saying TLK should be considered a failure for failing to match BATB. It doesn't add up.

^^^

Aladdin may be a better Fail for Queen than TLK...

because Queen MISSED on Aladdin literally about as bad as you possible can....

In fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone end up on the complete opposite end of the spectrum than Queen did With Aladdin...

BEFORE Aladdin opened, Queen made a now famous troll thread, where he predicted and basically guaranteed "Aladdin was going to be a HUGE flop and lose Disney HUNDREDS of Millions of dollars"

hilariously, Aladdin Instead topped 1 Billion + and NETTED Disney HUNDREDS of million of dollars in PROFIT

Queen took an absolute BEATING on Aladdin, and In fact abandoned the board out pure shame after he tried and failed to "move the goal posts" 4 times...

but ya, If I had to judge Which film brought Queen more Embarrassment between TLK and Aladdin ....Hands down Aladdin...

Queen Missed by Literally 500 Million dollars on Aladdin....

although Queens been forced to Change his Stance 7 times now on TLK, Which has to be pretty embarrassing and shameful for him...

I dont know Maybe its TIE....its very difficult to decide which of Queens failures is the worst, hilariously they are so astonishingly HUGE , Its really hard to judge, lol

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 5 years ago

Queen gets himself stuck in a troll position. He saw that Dumbo and Mary Poppins Returns didn't quite bring in the numbers, so he went out on a limb that Aladdin and TLK would repeat. Since he went out on that limb with a bad prediction, he now has to move heaven and earth to justify it.

This stuff is actually very easy to understand. Mary Poppins Returns was an ok sequel. Did it update anything for newer audiences? Not really. It was more for fans of the original. Did Dumbo update anything for newer audiences? Visually it did, but it changed half the movie because a straight up remake would've made it only 60 minutes. It was a science experiment that didn't work.

Now did BATB, Aladdin and TLK update anything for newer audiences? Pretty much everything got updated. Did 90s BATB, Aladdin and TLK follow a similar formula that movies still follow today? Why yes they did. Did 90s BATB, Aladdin and TLK have enough content to fill an entire movie? Why yes they did.

Thats the type of stuff you gotta look at. And thats exactly how I can predict with certainty that the Little Mermaid remake will also cross a billion. It checks all the boxes.

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

QFU, You do realize that of the movies reaching $400 Million in the shortest amount of time that TLK2019 is the 9th fastest? TLK2019 reached that amount in just 15 days. BATB? It took BATB 19 Days. Proof? Try Boxofficemojo.com:

1 Avengers: Endgame BV 5 $427,099,795 4/30/19 $857,776,768 4/26/19
2 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV 8 $440,181,717 12/25/15 $936,662,225 12/18/15
3 Avengers: Infinity War BV 9 $416,462,994 5/05/18 $678,815,482 4/27/18
4 Black Panther BV 10 $403,613,257 2/25/18 $700,059,566 2/16/18
5 Jurassic World Uni. 10 $402,800,065 6/21/15 $652,270,625 6/12/15
6 Star Wars: The Last Jedi BV 12 $423,361,767 12/26/17 $620,181,382 12/15/17
7 Marvel's The Avengers BV 14 $402,021,415 5/17/12 $623,357,910 5/4/12
8 Incredibles 2 BV 15 $407,766,809 6/29/18 $608,581,744 6/15/18
9 The Lion King (2019) BV 15 $403,847,893 8/02/19 $458,820,826 7/19/19
10 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV 16 $408,235,850 12/31/16 $532,177,324 12/16/16
11 The Dark Knight WB 18 $400,038,494 8/04/08 $533,345,358 7/18/08
12 Beauty and the Beast (2017) BV 19 $401,073,944 4/04/17 $504,014,165 3/17/17
13 Finding Dory BV 21 $402,229,243 7/07/16 $486,295,561 6/17/16
14 Avatar Fox 23 $415,090,487 1/09/10 $749,766,139 12/18/09
15 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV 24 $404,862,176 5/24/15 $459,005,868 5/1/15

So how did it trudge over the line out of breath again? Ohhhh, you made that up.

Just go ahead and admit that you made it up and had no idea how TLK2019 was performing. No shame in being ignorant now is there? Now that you know better you can do better.

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

Wait, what's that you say, "It was originally thought that 400 million would have been passed in the blink of an eye domestically and yet it's kind of trudged over that line out of breath and about to collapse."!

Who said that QueenFanUSA?

What about the Fastest to $450 Million? Do you think BATB was faster than TLK2019? Let's check:

1 Avengers: Endgame BV 6 $452,351,786 5/01/19 $857,776,768 4/26/19
2 Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV 9 $496,913,249 12/26/15 $936,662,225 12/18/15
3 Avengers: Infinity War BV 10 $453,107,350 5/06/18 $678,815,482 4/27/18
4 Star Wars: The Last Jedi BV 14 $464,698,228 12/28/17 $620,181,382 12/15/17
5 Jurassic World Uni. 15 $460,533,660 6/26/15 $652,270,625 6/12/15
6 Black Panther BV 15 $451,657,573 3/02/18 $700,059,566 2/16/18
7 Marvel's The Avengers BV 17 $457,665,517 5/20/12 $623,357,910 5/4/12
8 Incredibles 2 BV 19 $458,544,365 7/03/18 $608,581,744 6/15/18
9 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV 20 $451,407,837 1/04/17 $532,177,324 12/16/16
10 The Lion King (2019) BV 21 $453,103,826 8/08/19 $458,820,826 7/19/19
11 The Dark Knight WB 27 $451,888,386 8/13/08 $533,345,358 7/18/08
12 Avatar Fox 28 $450,467,005 1/14/10 $749,766,139 12/18/09
13 Beauty and the Beast (2017) BV 30 $451,385,158 4/15/17 $504,014,165 3/17/17
14 Finding Dory BV 34 $451,409,668 7/20/16 $486,295,561 6/17/16
15 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV 54 $450,162,782 6/23/15 $459,005,868 5/1/15

Looks like 21 days versus 30 days. That would mean that TLK2019 is performing better than BATB and it suggests that TLK2019 will exceed BATB's final BO tally. Don't you think so?

So just how is TLK2019 performing under expectations? What data or reference or link do you have to show that matches, reflects, or validates your statement? If you can't produce a reference you're trolling. If you can't provide a link, you're trolling. Here, I'll provide a link for the Fastest to $450 Million.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/fastest.htm?page=450&p=.htm

Come on QueenFanUSA let's have a conversation!

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

Yes...thanks to international.

It's really underperforming to expectations domestically and there are no signs of it stabilizing. HUGE week-to-week drops for a family film in the middle of summer.

If you are just looking at this domestic performance, it's understandable why you would be wondering if it's hit the break-even point. It's just vanishing in this country.

^^^^

These statements by Queen Perfect Illustrate his complete lack of Understanding box office in even slightest way

I find It astonishing That not ONLY did he get every thing WRONG....He got it completely Backwards , lol In fact Queen couldnt be more wrong....

at the heart of Queens awful box office analyst/trolling, Hes trying to claim "TLKs domestic gross is poor and The International box office is why its doing well"

and I'm not kidding, YOU could NOT be more Wrong if you tried....Its literally the exact opposite....

Queen doesnt understand what Is happening with TLKs domestic box office...

let me explain....

It all comes down to Disney.....since Disney Is The KING of Hollywood, They get to make demands other studios dont get to do...

Disney has deals in place with Theatrical chains where their biggest movies gets Benefits other studios and franchise dont...

In The case of TLK Disney made a deal where Major Theaters chains had to guaranteed at least 3 weeks of thier biggest screen to TLK, Disne also made deals where They get A much Higher Percentage of TLKs domestic gross from Theaters similar to deals they made with The Last Jedi and The Avengers films...

the reports I've read had Disney getting as much as 67% of all ticket sales in the first 3 weeks from TLKs domestic grosses and then in goes down to 60% for the rest of its run....most studios are lucky to get anything over 50%....

but because Disney Is absolutely dominating The WORLD and DECADE With DOZENS of films that top 1 Billion+.....Theaters have to bend the knee...

Queen you actually discounting TLKs domestic gross for its international gross Is truly one of the "Uneducated" statements I've ever heard....It completely proves you dont have the slightest understanding as to what is going on...

now lets get to the Specifics and why your statement is so stupid....

Due to Disney being able to get such a Large Percentage of TLKs ticket sales, Its domestic box office becomes Incredibly important and SINGLE HANDED accounts for the film breaking even!

Through 21 days(or 3 weeks) TLKs domestic total was 445 Million....

Which Disney Will get 67% of that...

which is 298 Million dollars....

forgive me if I'm wrong but Isnt TLK's budget 260 M?

Queen, has it even begun to sink in how Dumb and Uneducated your statement was yet?

TLKs domestic box office that your so fast to claim is disappointing and isnt helping very much.....has already SINGLE HANDED made back The budget and netted Disney 30 M In PROFIT

Queen you cant let your hatred for Disney cause you to throw common sense out the window...I get that you can not help but troll....But you should have done a little research

1st, Its beyond absurd for you to try to spin a domestic gross that going to eventually be over 500 M as anything but Astonishingly great, I mean your free to delusionally believe what you want, if you want to believe a gross of 500 M+, a feat only 13 movies in history have made Is disappointing, Your free to be that delusional, but just know, YOU BE WILL ALONE thinking that

but if you are going to let your hatred control you and delusionally try to claim a 500 M+ domestic gross isnt good, you should then do a little research and make sure The company that made the film didnt make a Special deal that allows them to make even more PROFIT off that 500 Million domestic gross than than usual

All in all....This is a different kind of fail from you Queen....This fail is kinda SAD....usually when you fail your just trolling and buying to time......but here this is a fail out pure lack of understanding...

lol

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

LOL

Links for this supposed 67% deal please.

Even if this turns out to be true, I guess once they got their 260 million back it's pure profit. Did they cut a "special deal" where they didn't have to spend a cent on marketing and distribution, too?

LOL

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

bill?

Proof of this 67% deal?

Got nuthin'?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Now THAT'S desperation trying to put a better spin on this domestic performance!

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

bill?

Hello?

It's a half a day later since I asked for proof of Disney getting 67% of ticket sales. Plus an explanation of how Disney only has to make its production budget back to be profitable. Links to this being an "expense-free" global marketing and distribution campaign, please?

[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 5 years ago

Proof of this 67% deal?

^^^

sorry Queen you forfeited the right to ask for proof when You Intentionally Made a Lie about boxoffice.com forecasting Captain Marvel to make 560 Million on thier "1st forecast" and provided no proof..

Then when I caught you in the Lie , you once again tried to intentionally lie, again providing no Proof and claimed "well It was in one of their forecast I'm sure".....I then Provided proof of all of Boxoffice.com's forecasting proving you were LYING again....

So No Queen you dont get to ask for Proof.

But If anyone else would like Proof of Disneys deal, just ask and I'll gladly provide it.....

Even if this turns out to be true,
^^^

It is true, I get thats its KILLING YOU but you cant ignore facts just because they bother you

I guess once they got their 260 million back it's pure profit. Did they cut a "special deal" where they didn't have to spend a cent on marketing and distribution, too?

^
lol no Queen The Marketing and Promotional costs will easily be made and surpassed by The HUNDREDS of million Disney Will make from Overseas and Post Theatrical revenue THANKS to them single handily breaking even domestically....

lets have a look-

now that we know Disney has broken even and made 298 Million dollars Just off The Domestic Gross...

thats means Everything TLK makes Overseas and Post Theatrical run Is ALL Profit....

from everything I've read, movies get around 55% overseas....although Disney does have "special deals" with China, Disney was way ahead of The China "explosion" and has been partnering with China to help produce films, Disney has done whatever it takes to make sure they have excellent working relationship with China to make sure they secure release dates for all thier films, so entirely possible Disney is getting more than the Usual 25% from China on the TLK, but I havent read specifics so I dont know for sure.

But the point is, Disney should recognize about 55% of TLKs overseas gross....which is gonna probably be close to 900 M total for TLK

so Disney should see around 500 Million of TLKs overseas gross

Next we got Post Theatrical revenue....Which for a film like TLK will be a minimum of 300 Million, which Disney Will see at least 60% of....

So, Lets add up....

Disney Is getting 298 Million for its domestic gross.

Disney is getting close to 500 Million from its overseas gross

and Disney should recognize around 170 Million + from Post Theatrical revenue

ok thast a total of....about 970 Million Disney should recognize from TLK...

as you said the budget is 260 M

and lets be really high and say the Marketing is 200 Million

thats at least 500 Million Disney is going to make from TLK from Its Theatrical and Post Theatrical run...

sorry Queen, You just dont under stand box office.....No matter what you say or try, TLK is just at a point box office wise where you cant fight it

sometime a film just makes so much money no matter how much you try to spin the numbers theres no fighting it....

and just to add to your MISERY....

Thats not even counting Merchandising!

I would expect another couple hundred million more for Disney coming from The sales of TLK merchanting...

and whats really telling is....I could be off and still wouldnt matter?

lol If were be off by 10% on TLKs domestic cut or 10% on Their overseas cut(which I'm not)...Theres still no nope from you because even if I was off, Thats Still HUNDREDS of Million in Profit for Disney!

Bottom Line is....You dont have the slightest understanding of how box office works...

you know TLK is a HUGE hit and Making Disney HUNDREDS of Million and its KILLING YOU....so you try and try but your trolling is pointless because you dont have facts behind you...

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

[–] QueenFanUSA (2055) a day ago

bill?

Hello?

It's a half a day later since I asked for proof of Disney getting 67% of ticket sales.

You and I covered this once before. You know I know you Know that I know you know that we covered this. How? Because as BillBrown so thunderously stated you ran away from the board and the conversation. It's over on the Aladdin board, $183 Million dollar discussion thread. Here I'll copy paste that for you right here:

Fun Fact: Film Making accounting practices are notorious for reporting that they never make a profit. They tend to spend large amounts of revenue to cover the cost of Distributors and Marketing & Advertising Companies.

But what if you own those very companies?

Disney Media Distribution (DMD), a DBA of Disney–ABC International Television, Inc., is responsible for The Walt Disney Company 's branded and non-branded filmed entertainment distribution, now distributing more than 30,000 hours of content to over 1300 broadcasters across 240 territories worldwide. The company is operated under Disney's Direct-to-Consumer & International division.

and

Advertising and Promotions
Disney's ownership of media networks such as ABC, Disney Channel and ESPN is a strategy the company is using to market its brand to Americans. This includes a systematic approach to television advertising, as well as radio commercials, print, outdoor advertising and mobile initiatives, promoting discounts on resorts, and family packages. To reach teenagers, Disney launched advergaming, which puts ad messages in online and video games. The goal is to reach kids directly and encourage them to urge their parents to visit a Disney park for a family experience.

Wait, what? yes that's right the Distributors that Disney owns are also part of the Marketing & Advertising costs, to themselves.

Then that means they can spend almost 40%-70% of their Marketing and Advertising budgets and it stays in house? Yes, it goes from the left pocket to the right pocket.

When the cast appears on Jimmy Kimmel and they air a teaser, trailer, or clip it is house money that stays with the Mouse.

Doesn't Disney own the ESPN network? Sure do. If they place advertisements for films there isn't that like FREE advertisements? On the books it is a cost but also on the books it is FREE. In that respect Disney has a clear cost edge on some studios, especially independent studios.

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

But wait.... There's more!

From CNN/Money: These amounts have been renegotiated over time and the length of weeks and percentages have changed:

Tickets

Most of the money from ticket sales goes back to the movie studio. A film booker leases a movie to a particular theater for a set period of weeks. The percentage of ticket sales that the studio takes decreases on each week that a movie is in the theater. If the screening was arranged by an independent middleman, he also takes a slice. So the movie has to pull in sizeable audiences for several weeks in order for theater owners to make any serious profits.

During the film's opening week, the studio might take 70 to 80 percent of gross box office sales. By the fifth or sixth week, the percentage the studio takes will likely shrink to about 35 percent, said Steven Krams, president of International Cinema Equipment Co.

If you've got a blockbuster like Titanic or The Lord of the Rings, with audiences that keep streaming in for weeks, everybody's happy -- especially theater owners.

How a theater makes money is totally independent from how a Studio or Film makes money:

Where movie theaters make their money:
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Movie tickets: From 20 to 55 percent of ticket price, increasing the longer the movie is shown there.
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Snack sales: For theater owners, this is where the real money is made. Concession companies may pay up front to run this part of the business.
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Trailers: Movie studios pay theaters to show trailers based on how many people saw them.
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Adverstising: Theaters split the $50 to $100 fee for ad slides before movies with local advertising agents.

This whole thing about Studios splitting Ticket-Revenue 50-50 with the Exhibitors (Theaters) has always been purely speculative and dumbed down because of the complex contracts and secret details already negotiated.

The content provider ALWAYS gets the lion's share of the Ticket Revenue and it ain't ever going to be, nor has ever been 50-50 for domestic Box Offices. A rule of thumb to use to discuss profitability is indeed 2X though but that would have in many cases partially covered P&A costs. Mind you I stated PARTIALLY depending how much P&A. For international 2.2 to 2.5X would be a comfortable range due to the reduced Ticket Revenue percentage that Studios receive. Thus make it 2.4X all around and you're good to go.

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

This is the additional conversation in that thread:

Because context matters as to the final determination and what it means. In no way is the split 50/50 that feeds the 2X being not valid as a breakeven multiplier. Simple as that. Even if it's, let's say it is as low as 55/45 and the Studio gets 55%, the bulk is still on the front-end of the engagement before the % changes to more favor the theater owners on a Strong-armed contract from profitable Studios like Disney.

An additional side of this whole Film industry profitability and Breakeven analysis is of course "ancillary revenue streams" which QueenFanUSA wants to claim is a dirty phrase and nothing more than a rabbit-hole of a debate.

The reality really is that not all Companies are made equally. Disney bakes certain streams into their breakeven model for films and film cost and that is by design. Attempts to force Disney's film division breakeven model into a strict apples-to-apples comparison is both disingenuous and duplicitous at best. Disney has advantages why should they be penalized?

Disney invests more in film production because they make more. QueenFanUSA likes to broadcast that Disney films lose hundreds of millions of dollars but never can prove it and then changes the breakeven or profit criteria for other studios.

Context matters.

No one is saying that Disney Animation and Live-Action Animation films haven't lost some money. The losses just aren't as large as QueenFanUSA likes to broadcast. Disney shareholders, Disney stock and the SEC disagree with QueenFanUSA also.

[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

so....it broke even??

[–] NorrinRad (5022) 5 years ago

Stop instigating!!

The final arbiter of profitability is QueenFanUSA!!

You will respect his authority.

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

Saving for posterity Part 1(and it's time-stamped Norrinrad)

[–] billbrown7071 (2600) a month ago

^^^^

These statements by Queen Perfect Illustrate his complete lack of Understanding box office in even slightest way

I find It astonishing That not ONLY did he get every thing WRONG....He got it completely Backwards , lol In fact Queen couldnt be more wrong....

at the heart of Queens awful box office analyst/trolling, Hes trying to claim "TLKs domestic gross is poor and The International box office is why its doing well"

and I'm not kidding, YOU could NOT be more Wrong if you tried....Its literally the exact opposite....

Queen doesnt understand what Is happening with TLKs domestic box office...

let me explain....

It all comes down to Disney.....since Disney Is The KING of Hollywood, They get to make demands other studios dont get to do...

Disney has deals in place with Theatrical chains where their biggest movies gets Benefits other studios and franchise dont...

In The case of TLK Disney made a deal where Major Theaters chains had to guaranteed at least 3 weeks of thier biggest screen to TLK, Disne also made deals where They get A much Higher Percentage of TLKs domestic gross from Theaters similar to deals they made with The Last Jedi and The Avengers films...

the reports I've read had Disney getting as much as 67% of all ticket sales in the first 3 weeks from TLKs domestic grosses and then in goes down to 60% for the rest of its run....most studios are lucky to get anything over 50%....

but because Disney Is absolutely dominating The WORLD and DECADE With DOZENS of films that top 1 Billion+.....Theaters have to bend the knee...

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

…and Part II...

[–] billbrown7071 (2600) a month ago

Queen you actually discounting TLKs domestic gross for its international gross Is truly one of the "Uneducated" statements I've ever heard....It completely proves you dont have the slightest understanding as to what is going on...

now lets get to the Specifics and why your statement is so stupid....

Due to Disney being able to get such a Large Percentage of TLKs ticket sales, Its domestic box office becomes Incredibly important and SINGLE HANDED accounts for the film breaking even!

Through 21 days(or 3 weeks) TLKs domestic total was 445 Million....

Which Disney Will get 67% of that...

which is 298 Million dollars....

forgive me if I'm wrong but Isnt TLK's budget 260 M?

Queen, has it even begun to sink in how Dumb and Uneducated your statement was yet?

TLKs domestic box office that your so fast to claim is disappointing and isnt helping very much.....has already SINGLE HANDED made back The budget and netted Disney 30 M In PROFIT

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

...and Part III

[–] billbrown7071 (2600) a month ago

Queen you cant let your hatred for Disney cause you to throw common sense out the window...I get that you can not help but troll....But you should have done a little research

1st, Its beyond absurd for you to try to spin a domestic gross that going to eventually be over 500 M as anything but Astonishingly great, I mean your free to delusionally believe what you want, if you want to believe a gross of 500 M+, a feat only 13 movies in history have made Is disappointing, Your free to be that delusional, but just know, YOU BE WILL ALONE thinking that

but if you are going to let your hatred control you and delusionally try to claim a 500 M+ domestic gross isnt good, you should then do a little research and make sure The company that made the film didnt make a Special deal that allows them to make even more PROFIT off that 500 Million domestic gross than than usual

All in all....This is a different kind of fail from you Queen....This fail is kinda SAD....usually when you fail your just trolling and buying to time......but here this is a fail out pure lack of understanding...

[–] QueenFanUSA (3375) 5 years ago

Sooo...what does billbrown think the "norm" is for domestic take? Well here 'tis...

"the reports I've read had Disney getting as much as 67% of all ticket sales in the first 3 weeks from TLKs domestic grosses and then in goes down to 60% for the rest of its run....most studios are lucky to get anything over 50%...."

[–] ranmast (620) 5 years ago

I think yes, but who really knows?