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The Disney/Marvel clean sweep continues...


The Lion King is tracking to be the second highest grossing film of the year behind Endgame. Disney/Marvel already have the top 5 films of the year both internationally and domestic, and it's not even close. Aladdin is currently at 331m domestic(Far From Home is still behind it, but that wont last more than 2 weeks) and will probably finish around 350m. The next film is Us at 175m, half of that total.

Disney has Malificent 2, Frozen 2 and Starwars coming out this year. All 3 of those will easily sail past 175m.

Of the other studios, the only films that have the potential to break the Disney/Marvel stranglehold are It 2 and Jumanji 2. Terminator: Dark Fate looks like a horrible turd. But you never know.Cats maybe? Those christmas musicals sometimes make big box office.

9 out of the top 10 is on the cards though. That would be astonishing.

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The Lion King won't be anywhere close to being the "second highest grossing film of the year"...no studio lost more money on a film this year than Disney on Dumbo...Disney films all have production budgets Waaaaaay above industry norms...aaaannnd if you think Maleficent2 is going to be a hit I've got pieces of the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you.

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It's tracking 650m at the US box office. Even if it comes in 200m below that, it will be the second highest grossing film of the year.

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No it's not tracking that high...only boxoffice.com is saying that. They routinely overproject on Disney films...sometimes laughably so. They projected Mary Poppins Returns would end up making 360 million domestically.

It didn't even make that globally.

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https://deadline.com/2019/07/the-lion-king-worldwide-box-office-opening-july-record-1202646684/

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Nothing in that article points to 650 million domestic total.

It DOES point out that it has a 260 million dollar production budget, though.

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[–] alienzen (397) 14 days ago
It's tracking 650m at the US box office. Even if it comes in 200m below that, it will be the second highest grossing film of the year.
Looks like Lion King might indeed be on track to at some point being the 2nd Highest grossing "Domestic" movie of 2019. I'm not sure it will stay there, with other Disney movies due to release in the 2nd half of 2019, but you might have called that right. Toy Story 4 though might really be the one to unseat CM, though.

I think your POV proved to be a tad accurate JUST because QueenFanUSA said it wouldn't be anywhere close and then brought up Dumbo for no reason. Why?

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Only Starwars might beat it. Frozen maybe I suppose, not sure about that as I have no interest in it. It will sail past 500m and might finish close to 600m. Toy Story 4 is mostly done. I don't think it will pass Captain Marvel world wide. Not sure if it will even make a billion.

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And you're not getting any of the money Disney gets buy making these "films."

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Disney also overspends BIG TIME compared to rivals like Universal and Warner Bros at an alarming rate.

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"...no studio lost more money on a film this year than Disney on Dumbo..."

And yet, only by a hair. With a budget of $170-million and a global take of $352-million, "Dumbo" only lost slightly more than "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" which had the same budget and a global take of $384-million. However, "Dumbo" made more domestically, so the actual profit/loss will be slightly different, depending on the percentages of the sales that go into the respective studio pockets.

There's also an old adage: "you need to spend money to make money" (which is so universally true that the origin of this quote can be traced back to the Roman playwright Titus Plautus). Or, "with great risk comes great reward" (originally quoted by Thomas Jefferson). Does that mean that every plan will work every time? No... but if one looks at the results, just this year alone:

Disney has tracked nine films in 2019, with an average domestic take of $241-million and 35% market share
WB has tracked 23 movies in 2019, with an average domestic take of $39-million and 15% market share
Universal has tracked 17 movies in 2019, with an average domestic take of $49-million and 14% market share

That means that, per film, Disney is bringing in five to six times as much in domestic sales as their two closest competitors... and that doesn't even include the share of the total sales Disney will take in their split with Sony for "Spider Man".

So, yes... Disney does have a tendency to produce high budget movies, and when one misses it can hurt the bottom line, just as "Dumbo" did, or "Godzilla" for WB. And, at least with both of those, the total global take was more than the production costs (yes, I know that they still lost money, as the studios only get a percentage of the total take, and there are advertising costs, as well), so that softens the blow, somewhat. One must truly feel for Universal, however, with the colossal flop that was "Mortal Engines", which didn't even make back its production cost of $100-million (with only an $84-million INTERNATIONAL take). If you want to use the 2.5x multiplier to calculate the estimated amount a movie must make to move into profit territory, then "Mortal Engines" lost Universal $166-million. Using the same formula, "Dumbo" would have only lost Disney $73-million.

So, you are correct, in a way. Disney does put a lot of money into their movies. But, in the grand scheme, the payoff for those expenses generally is worth it, as their dominance at the box office proves. Half way through this year, the top four films are all Disney-produced, and the number five film is one that they will be sharing in the profits in.

Criticize all you want... but I will take that business model any day of the year!

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Jambo, I actually agree with much of your post concerning this year. So far, they've only had one money loser while last year they had at least 4...nearly half their slate!

I don't think Godzilla is a good comparison, though, as WB is only on the hook for 25% with Legendary's 75%. In regard to Spider Man...it's my understanding that Marvel receives very little of the theatrical gross.

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It makes a lot more profit than WB and universal, more anti Disney bullshit from queen who know nothing about the industry

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Actually... as a share holder, I am always happy to see the profits they make with their movies. The expected results for the Lion King will push the share price even higher, and perhaps even the next dividend payout.

So, while you may not be getting any of the money from these movies, Disney investors are certainly happy with the results!

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You are aware that Disney bought Marvel, bought Star Wars, bought Pixar, and bought Fox?

And that all you are doing is rooting for a monopoly?

I guess you enjoyed it, too, when Microsoft bought up all of it's competition.

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