Major Goof!


Have not seen the movie yet found a BIG GOOF!

The trailers show a German submarine passing on the surface the destroyer, with less than 50 feet between. The destroyer crew is tracking and firing at the submarine with a Bofors 40mm gun.

Goof 1. A real submarine would never be that close, on the surface, to a destroyer. One would have sunk the other, either the sub would have sunk the destroyer, or the destroyer would have sunk the sub before they ever came that close!

Goof continues. The 40mm crew is tracking and firing at the submarine, missing each time! It is a quadruple mount! Big waste of ammunition! The gunners in that gun mount would in real life had been reassigned to the kitchen, or somewhere else! In fact it would have been found before combat that they are worthless, and replaced!

Goof continues. The 40mm turns and fires as fast as a 20mm or a machine gun! The 40mm was fast, and automatic. But it certainly could not fire as fast as a machine gun. A 40mm could fire about 100 shells per minute. A machine gun or 20mm would fire about four or five times that.

Still will look to see this movie. Seems exciting.

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The movie is typical Sunday afternoon fare and made me decide I needn't watch Apple TV at all. They have absolutely nothing to show.

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Well, i am no expert in navy or ammunition at all and I still respect your views. They might be damm true but just for a moment, could you not watch the movie for fun?

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No!

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The rate of fire for the Bofors was a tad fast.
Other than that, your entire comment was utterly and laughably wrong.

Subs did find themselves that close to surface warships on more than one occasion. USS Borie vs U-405 for example.

And your understanding of what would or would not happen to the gunners... Comes from you who have never served.
You don't have a basis for your opinion.

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The example you put, the USS Borie proves my point. When the U-boat surfaced for action it was already damaged by the destroyer's depth charges. Not so in the movie under consideration. It implies that such kind of action was normal for those ships. Which was not a normal tactic but an attempt at survival.

And while you may be right in that I never served, my understanding of what would happen to the gunners comes from watching military training films.

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Otto Kretschmer rules, pay attention to 3, 10 and 11

1.Efficient lookouts are of prime importance

2. It is essential not simply to spot the target, but to spot it in good time

3. Lone ships should be attacked on the surface with gunfire in order to save expensive torpedoes

4. Survivors should be assisted where possible

5. Convoys should only be attacked in daylight if it is not feasible to wait for nightfall

6. Attack at night from the dark side of the convoy, so that the target is silhouetted and the submarine is in shadow

7. When there is little or no moonlight, attack from the windward side (to avoid a visible white bow-wave when motoring into the wind)

8. Fire one torpedo per target not fanned salvoes

9. Fire at close range

10. Once the attack is launched, do not submerge except in circumstances of dire necessity. Remember that on the surface it is easier for you to spot the enemy than for the enemy to spot you

11. Dive only for two hours before dawn each day, to rest the crew, sweep with the sound detection equipment, etc.; otherwise, remain on the surface

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You have taken these rules by Kretschmer completely out of context.

3. Lone ships as in unarmed merchant vessels! Not ships of war designed to hunt down and destroy u-boats. ONE hit from pretty much any sort naval artillery would severely damage or destroy the u-boat.

10. He is referring to his experience of attacking convoys early in the war on the surface and at night before RADAR was a thing. His idea was to stay surfaced because then the escorts ASDIC would be useless.
They could only find u-boats visually which obviously is difficult at night.
The movie plays in 42 or 43? Radar was common now and convoys very well protected as seen in the movie.
Fighting convoys on the surface was not possible at all anymore, no matter if day or night.

11. Nothing to do with combat at all and pretty obvious. U-boats were designed to travel on the surface and only dive to remain concealed while stalking/attacking prey.


A u-boat surfacing to duke it out with any armed vessel of any kind is a joke and insult to history.
U-boats forced to surface with depth charges did so because they were already beaten. This happened a lot.
In every case I ever heard of, the boat was abandoned.
They did not go ready the deck gun and start shelling fucking destroyers and to think that only shows zero subject matter knowledge.

The depiction of the German u-boats, their crews and tactics were absurd.
The "phone calls" to taunt the escorts were perhaps the most outlandish nonsense I have seen since Fury (2014) fighting a whole damn SS battalion.

The movie could have been a historical masterpiece as it did a lot of things well, but it decided to portray the Germans like monsters from some absurd fairy-tale to entertain the average mouthbreathing American who only cares about explosions, a waving star spangled banner and some corny lines and characters instead of historical accuracy.

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So many buttons to count. So little time.

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Care to explain? I am not familiar with that phrase.

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"The example you put, the USS Borie proves my point. When the U-boat surfaced for action it was already damaged by the destroyer's depth charges. Not so in the movie under consideration."

Wrong, exactly the same. You cannot know it only by the trailer but the sub in the film was forced to the surface by previous depth charges. This just goes to show your ignorance and arrogance on what you are discussing.

Also regarding the guns missing. The sub was in too close and the guns could not depress low enough to hit. They were intended as anti-aircraft mounts.

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