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While I agree with most of the points this documentary makes...


...I think it completely glosses over the number Americans in prison for violent crimes. Almost half (47%) of all prisoners in state and jails have been convicted of violent crimes.

I'm sure most people can agree that punishments for drug offenses should be greatly reduced, or in the case of marijuana, decriminalized completely. But I can't imagine anyone arguing that violent offenders should go unpunished.

The film correctly condemns the War on Drugs as a failed agenda with a racial bias, but it rails against the War on Crime in the 1970s? They quickly forget that the War on Crime was instrumental in combating bloodshed caused by organized crime in New York, Chicago and Philadelphia in the '70s. The Black Panthers and other groups were hardly the reason for the plan.

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many violent crimes are related to drugs. or poverty. I don´t think they are saying "get everybody out of prison". but the trend of mass incarceration since the 70´s clearly means something.

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I thought of the same however I believe the focus was on the growth rate of prisoners and the mandatory minimums for non violent crime like drugs.

If a person is caught 3 times with crack, they can be put away for life. But if a person is caught 3 times with meth, heroin, and a lot of other drugs, they get rehab or probation, etc... 20 or 25 years ago, we were more prudish, so to speak. Now you have grandmothers buying Marijuana.

So take the people harming themselves and put them all on equal footing.

Next, the one case was heartbreaking of the guy in prison for supposedly stealing a backpack but never going to trial. That should be illegal. False imprisonment. Felt like a judge was on the payroll of a prison, getting a kickback for every head he sent. I have seen documentaries on debtor prison as well. People in jail for parking tickets, etc.

Prison should not be stop one, throw away the key for non violent crime.

On the flip side, murderers, true robbery like a bank, breaking into homes, etc rapists of course are who we want off the streets.

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This is good to know. I didn't know the last part you speak of

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Cleverretort:


But I can't imagine anyone arguing that violent offenders should go unpunished.


But that's not what the movie was even saying, so why even bring that up? Nobody in the film ever said that. That goes without saying that violent offenders need to be locked the hell up.

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No surprise there. The people that put this together are political and racial. They have an agenda. They start with their agenda first and then shape a doc around it to fit their agenda. That is likely all this is.

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