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season 3 (the first 3 shows)


Can anyone answer a few questions for me? Thanks in advance!

Why did Fred not kill June for running with her child?
Why was she mad at Nick upon her return? I thought he had helped her escape last season.
Why was she posted with the lunatic, yet strangely likeable Commander Lawrence?
How did Emily find Junes husband so easily and just give him the baby?
Where is Fred living now that Serena is with her demented mother?
How come Fred stood by quietly while June and Serena hugged and consoled each other upon Junes return..He was so pissed off, yet he stood by and watched their reunion? I would think another pinky of hers was up for grabs.

I admit I am a bit confused on how June is constantly throwing seething looks on the higher ups without being punished, and why is everyone in slow motion this season. For example it took 5 years for June to get that damn book off Lawrences shelf, and ten years to get out of the burning house.

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I can't answer all the questions, but I'll try some of them.

"Why did Fred not kill June for running with her child?"
The answer both to this and the last question is that Fred isn't really that ruthless, for one thing, but also because the Waterfords couldn't admit to anyone what really happened with June. It was the second time she went missing, they were afraid they would all end up on the wall. It's part self-preservation, really.

Besides, the women bonded over the loss of the baby - what could he really do about that? And what would punishing his wife have accomplished?

"Why was she posted with the lunatic, yet strangely likeable Commander Lawrence?*
He is very powerful, it was his choice. Remember Nick said he doesn't like being bored, so I am guessing there was a reason Lawrence wanted June in his house. Besides, neither he nor his wife keep up any pretense of piety.

"How did Emily find Junes husband so easily and just give him the baby?"
There is a community of refugees from Gilead there, I would think they purposely try to stay close for any news of their loved ones. Probably hang out at the same bars, etc.

I don't know where Fred was living, but they showed him at the brothel, so perhaps he was renting a room there or something. But I mean he is a powerful enough man with resources, he could have stayed at any number of places (they probably have at least some kind of hotels there considering they occasionally get foreign visitors), or also with relatives.

Getting a book from a shelf in front of all those witnesses was a strange request considering women aren't allowed to read, but I'd say it was shown super slow for our benefit, to emphasize just how belittling that treatment of women is.

Although I do think Lawrence only made that joke for his guests and not because that's truly how he thinks.



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Thanks so much for you insights! I was a bit lost watching,,,perhaps because season 2 wasnt as fresh in my mind. Now you said it was the 2nd time June went missing.. so does Fred cover that up by saying Emily stole the baby and June tried to stop her but didnt succeed?
Also, whats with the Nick story? June was captured and brought back to the house, and she snubbed him. I thought he helped her escape with the baby?
I love the character of commander Lawrence..Likeable and hateful at the same time. Sometimes funny. Sometimes ruthless.

Any other insights would be appreciated. Thanks!

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I am not sure why June was angry with Nick, perhaps because he told her how selfish she was when after everything she still came back to the house, but she just couldn't leave for Canada without her first daughter.

She probably was just angry over the helplessness of her entire situation - she can't even see her child without traumatizing her.

I suppose this is actually the third time June went missing (I just didn't count it initially because it wasn't a prolonged absence) - and yes, for that one Emily was the cover story. The first time June went missing was when she was pregnant and shacking up with Nick at some newspaper printing plant, I believe, and the second time was when she was already about to give birth in the summer house. It was in winter, she went there to see her older daughter and then ended up left behind there heavily pregnant because iirc Nick was arrested and the Guardians didn't know she was in the house at the time.

At this point I'd have to rewatch the series from the beginning to provide any further insight, because there is a lot I don't remember anymore either.

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Thanks for refreshing my memory... Lets chat again after the next installment of the next 3 shows.

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June is playing along to avoid scrutiny while she is secretly preparing to take down the system. Lawrence knows she's playing along, he is playing along too. I don't think he's trying to take Gilead down completely, he created it by necessity, but it has changed into something he didn't originally intend.

He used their religion to maintain order in the early days, but maybe now he sees that as a threat to their survival, and Gilead would be better served by separating church from state. But he can't do that by himself, so he is trying to lead certain individuals to launch a coup without implicating himself along the way. Plus, he is kinda curious if they can put something together on their own without overtly telling them what to do.

The scene with the book was really a conversation between the two of them. He is asking her how far she is willing to go to keep up appearances, and she is angry because he is using her in a demeaning way to maintain his own cover when he probably didn't have to.

But at the same time, he let her in that room, knowing they were discussing sensitive war plans, and knowing she is much more likely to do something with that information than the girl he kicked out. He also gave her access to files while going on and on about useful people, how she's not useful, etc., which led her to pick useful people to stay.

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he is trying to lead certain individuals to launch a coup without implicating himself along the way.

Is this conjecture?


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Yeah, that was an extension of the maybe, based on things he said or did up to that episode. In the last week's episode, I thought it was interesting what his wife said about him being a completely different person before. And then he listened to one of the tapes while his wife seemed happy he was doing that.

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Winslow,, I thank you for the response.. I do think Lawrence is playing a cat and mouse game for his own entertainment, while allowing June to gather the people and info to stage a coup without implicating himself. Very true. I like that guy and I dont know why, lol, as he is mean as well as sometimes nice.
I am so curious about his wife too. She might play a bigger role than we think.
Junes walking partner is a threat I believe,,we shall see.

Lets see what the next 3 episodes have in store...

ps.. I am not understanding the Nick dynamic right now.. He opens the door to her upon being captured, and she snubbs him. He helped her escape with the baby, so why not keep all the friends you can get? Instead she keeps sending seething nasty looks to alot of the higher ups, and she never did that before.

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You keep repeating that, but hey, they had makeup sex already. :)

Future episodes will come out one by one, btw, not in threes.


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Its worth repeating if the storyline becomes less credible to me, the viewer.

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The scene with the book was really a conversation between the two of them. He is asking her how far she is willing to go to keep up appearances, and she is angry because he is using her in a demeaning way to maintain his own cover when he probably didn't have to.


This is pretty much how I viewed the scene. Side note, I thought it would've been a funny Easter egg if there was a book on business ethics amongst those on the shelf.

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That would have been good.

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