Hannibal Was A Barbarian?


Wasn't Carthage founded by the Phoenicians? You know the people that INVENTED the alphabet? And discovered the purple dye that all the Roman emperors used for their robes?

reply

I think they're calling ANYONE not Roman, Barbarian. Cause nobody wanted to change the title.

reply

In all fairness from the Roman point of view they probably thought of anyone who wasn't them as barbarians.

reply

Hannibal might as well have been a cannibal. The Romans were shocked that he led an Army into the Roman heartland. They were also shocked that Roman provinces sided with him.

reply

Actually no, that's entirely inaccurate.

First off the word "Barbarian" is Greek in origin so it's more of a Greek concept then a Roman one. But cultures at the time were seen in two dimensions: Civilized and Uncivilized.

A Roman would look at Carthage and Pheonicians as the former: A civilized society that is competitive with Roman in a different manner than say the Gauls to the North. This distinction is very important when trying to understand the complexity of cultural interactions of the Ancient and Classical period.

reply

That's not quite true. Though Carthage were not Barbarians in the eyes of us today, they were in fact Barbarians to the Romans during that time. Essentially anyone who was not Roman were Barbarians. Another example would be the Gauls.

reply

Barbarian is a Greek idea, not a Roman one. The Romans adopted it later when they conquered the Greeks later and saw their culture as dominant. But the Roman perception of Carthage and the Pheonicians is very different from their perception say the Gauls or Germans.

reply

If his government would have listened to him, and sent him more troops so he could attack Rome. Hannibal was a brillant military leader and would have suceeded and sacked Rome. History would be completely different. The Roman empire would have fallen.







Lawrence of Arbia, he was an English guy who came to fight the Turkish

reply

They are using the term more in the common usage than literal sense. Like the British described Germans in WW1, even though the British royal family were of German heritage themselves.

reply

Like the British described Germans in WW1, even though the British royal family were of German heritage themselves.


The other reason being: Germans are actually the descendants of some barbarian tribes.
That's why the British fancied themselves as the "civilized people" (akin to the Romans) fighting the evil "German hordes" (barbarians).

The stereotype of the German ‘Hun’ that emerged in British propaganda was used to reinforce British values and to contrast such values favourably against German aggression and barbarism.

Like the British, the French fashioned the war against Germany into a struggle of civilization against barbarism and referred to the Kaiser as ‘chef des barbares’ (chief of the barbarians)


http://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/depicting-the-enemy#

reply

Hey, hey, I was kind of right when I said the show is calling anyone not Roman "barbarian."

In the opening titles, they write:

Barbarian:

Not belonging to the great civilizations of Greece and ROme.

Foreign, strange or ignorant.

Outsider.

reply

I don't believe the Romans would have quite considered Carthage a "barbarian" society. Not in honor to the spirit of the term, which stems from mocking the speech patterns of the supposedly ignorant ("bar bar bar bar!") As much as Rome may have seen Carthage as inferior, Carthage would still have been viewed as a civilization. So whether the term would have been invoked is a bit hard to say (since any non-Greco-Roman was, technically, barbarian). But it's not in the spirit of the term to mock them in such a manner.


______
You spell God with a G, I spell Nature with an N. Capital. - Frank Lloyd Wright

reply

Everyone is this thread is using the word Barbarian completely wrong. Presentism at its finest.

Barbarian is a Greek concept. Not a Roman one, although adopted by the Republic after Rome conquers Greece and absorbs much of its culture.

reply