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2 problems i had with this (Spoilers)

posted 6 years ago by horrorfan000 (2070)
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Firstly how is Castle still standing half the time.I twisted my ankle once and it put me off my feet for about a week.Castles been shot,stabbed and beaten half to death.And yet he keeps getting up the next day like nothing happened.It would be more believable if they explained that he had some kind of healing ability.Maybe experimental drugs administered during the war.

Secondly the ending was beyond unrealistic.Your telling me a guy with Castles violent nature,notoriety and huge brutal body count that the FBI and CIA decided to give him a get out of jail free card.I would have preferred if he had just escaped at the end or faked his death again.That would have been far more believable

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

The healing factor could be explained away in some future story he's in.

As or the get-out-of-jail-free card, the military would have to be held to account, as a whole, if they tried to prosecute Frank and they couldn't be certain that Lieberman didn't have an ace up his sleeve to follow through on their wrongdoings.

My biggest problem was the amount of talking and coincidence of crossover that the story went down for its path.

Where was Matt keeping an eye on Karen or The Hand in any of this?

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

The Defenders explains where Matt and the Hand are.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I'll maybe need an update on this one, it wasn't referenced within The Punisher and I had to be drunk to watch The Defenders and so must have missed the point which you are referring to.

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

Finish watching the Defenders yourself or go find a recap. You can't complain about certain characters not showing up if you haven't watched an entire series.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Oh I watched it...I just didn't retain it due to how bad it was.

Thanks for not sharing your experience!

I stand by my convictions on this one AP, you haven't been able to counter them without asking me to further waste hours of my life.

I reckon I win this one, but thanks for playing!

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

You "win" because you didn't pay attention to a show enough to at least get an idea of how it ended?

I am able to answer your question, by the way: The Hand has been wiped out and Daredevil is essentially dead at the moment. There ya go.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Not how I remember it ending but fair enough, you ponied up enough to get off your supposed high-horse to have a go at a discussion.

Do you have any information which places The Punisher at the same timeframe as The Defenders?

Besides Karen and Daredevil season 2 this could be a completely independent universe.

I'll let "The event" from The Avengers slip, a lack of Spidey pass me by too and any mention of the MCEU wider events pass by because why throw it in there to ruin an otherwise decent story but if this is as canon as Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist in the first place?

But it does, or should, survive alongside that canon considering the bleed from those stories into Frank's first appearance in Daredevil and Karen appearing later in his story.

Matt waking up next to some nuns is cool and all but it hardly means The Hand is gone or that any of that took place at the same time as the events of The Punisher.

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

I'm on the high horse? You're being smug about being too lazy to pay attention to a show you watch or even google it for two minutes, instead opting to wine about it on the internet so other people would answer.

And there are easter eggs that showed this took place after the Defenders such as a newspaper concerning the destruction of Midland Circle, the Empire State Building still being in red in honor of Daredevil's "death", and Karen's general demeanor signifying she's in mourning. That, and Matt generally not being present shows he isn't around to watch over Karen. The last time we saw Matt, he was near-comatose and bandaged up form an exploding building. He's in no shape to hop around on rooftops yet.

I'm not sure why you would wonder about the Hand as it wasn't around in Luke Cage or Jessica Jones, either. At any rate, the Hand's high command were all killed off, they no longer have finances as Alexandra's business was destroyed, they are cut off from the substance that made them immortal, and the Black Sky is not with them one way or another. There's really nothing left aside form some random ninjas out there somewhere who don't have the power to do much of anything at this point.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

And there are Easter eggs that showed this took place after the Defenders such as a newspaper concerning the destruction of Midland Circle, the Empire State Building still being in red in honor of Daredevil's "death", and Karen's general demeanor signifying she's in mourning.

All very close, but none of it a certainty of anything.

I liked The Punisher, I've liked both Daredevil's, I enjoyed Jessica Jones, even Luke Cage found its footing with me eventually.

Iron Fist and The Defenders both didn't cut the jib in my opinion and there's nothing to say that your evidence is purely circumstantial when placed in the context of a shared universe.

If my thinking Iron Fist and The Defenders was bad makes me smug and lazy - so be it, I'm not the one withholding information from reasonable questioning and asking others to spend hours going over material to satisfy queries others have started.

You might want to see someone about that 🤦

[–] AP (5258) 6 years ago

I never said you were smug for not liking Defenders and I haven't even mentioned Iron Fist. I called you smug because you have a superiority complex when you talk about how little you pay attention and refuse to find information for yourself. I never told you to spend hours doing anything. You know how to use the internet, right? A simple search would answer everything for you and you wouldn't need to spend any more than five minutes.

Defenders and Iron Fist might be shitty shows, that's all well and good, but it doesn't mean the Punisher somehow takes place in another universe. Daredevil is dead for all intents and purposes. He's bandaged up in a hospital and is likely not coherent enough to do any superheroing while the rest of the world think he's dead. And again, the Hand has been left with nothing. There's no leadership, no finances, no powers, and no weapons. Why would they even show up in the Punisher any way? He has nothing to do with them.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I called you smug because you have a superiority complex when you talk about how little you pay attention and refuse to find information for yourself.

I dunno, I'm kinda here for the sharing of opinion and information. Pretty sure I showed an overall understanding of everything going on in the above elements of this thread. I think it's called...discussion, yeah, that's it, it's discussion.

Why are you here again? 😶

[–] horrorfan000 (2070) 6 years ago

"As or the get-out-of-jail-free card, the military would have to be held to account,"

But wouldn't it make more sense for the higher ups to want to cover their backsides by having Castle and Lieberman put away or even dead rather than have them out there free knowing what they know.I don't believe that they would just let somebody with Castles ridiculously huge body count just be on his way without so much as a slap on the wrist.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I completely see where you are going with this chain of thought, but Frank is a brilliant strategician and Lieberman is an information analyst who managed to elude capture and protect his family without any military resources.

Killing people who have actually assisted you in bettering the politics of a field which would have totally disseminated the US both internally and internationally without knowing what back-up plans they might have in place, and especially as they have acted as clandestine allies in helping achieve this goal, would be very dangerous territory.

There might be some 'accidents' waiting for each of them down the road but their potential for being trouble at that point was far too high and quelling them both, and any contacts they might have in positions of power, would be of the utmost importance for saving face.

For all the talking the show did they could have put more focus on this aspect, but it kind of makes sense.

I agree with Frank's apparent healing factors though, I counted to bullets and one arrow to the same spot in his upper right torso within days of each other. You'd notice that (As well as the other wounds and torture he endured).

[–] redban (5202) 5 years ago

Agree about the healing stuff.

In the second to last episode of season one, he got a massive beat down by Agent Orange. He was half dead, needing adrenaline to just stay awake.

But then only a few days afterwards, he’s running around the carousel and beating up Billy Russo like nothing. Realistically, he would have been bed-ridden for months