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Violated a basic rule of good, decent, honest horror (mild spoiler)


You just don't kill children in brutal ways. You just don't.

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yes. as father myself i totally agree. i cant stand this. Same as in "It". as a father this is so hard to watch...

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(spoiler) But isn't a murder of a child supposed to be hard to watch and upsetting? I don't get your point. Are movies supposed to reflect hard truths or is the murder of a child supposed to be sugar coated so it is more palatable? That scene is supposed to make you feel something, so when the destruction of Rose happens at the end, it feels more satisfying.

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Of course it has its point. But it is one of the unwritten rules of Hollywood that you don't show children being molested/killed. And I am more a supporter of not showing violence so that it happens in your head and not on screen.

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Rules are made to be broken, especially unwritten ones.

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That’s a stupid rule then.

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Then you DON'T want to watch "Citizen X". Fantastic movie about the Russian serial killer Andre Chikatilo, who, because of Russian bureaucracy, killed 52 women and children over 10 years.

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LOL

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Yes, the only way to kill a child is in a way that doesn't make the audience feel. For me that is worse, because it desensitizes us to how horrible a murder of a child really is. You use the words decent and horror together? That is called an oxymoron. The murder of the child here made you feel something. Isn't that what is supposed to happen? No wonder we are such a violent and sick society, because our movies have taught us that brutality against another person is a plot point that isn't supposed to make you feel horror and outrage. Murder and killing has become a fun thing, that doesn't give us any pause to understand exactly how we are supposed to feel. Your premise is ludicrous. I've never heard of such a rule and think it is something that people expect now just because everything in horror now is sanitized.

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I agree with this take.

Watch any recent teen slasher film and the characters that bite it have been reduced to such vapid stereotypes, audiences literally applaud when they cop an axe in the face. Heaven forbid they write nice characters we gave a damn about, we might, y'know, *feel* a sense of loss.

The scene in Doctor Sleep was really hard hitting, but you'll certainly never forget it.

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Right. All these characters are stereotypes; the rapey jock boy, the teen queen, the despicable nerd, the queer, and the dumpy tom boy. From the very start of the movie, we are introduced to these characters as reprehensible and not worthy of living. So, when they are killed, they aren't seen as having any value...they are expendable and used to thrill the audience instead of arousing revulsion or strong feelings empathy for the character and their family and close friends. This makes it very confusing and upsetting to see a realistic killing like we saw in Dr. Sleep. The murder of the young boy is just too much to handle, because movies have conditioned us to not have feelings that are authentic. We have been told by Hollywood all of this and that is why the killing of the young boy in Dr. Sleep made people so upset and angry, because is not how we have been told to feel.

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The creepiest part to me is that it was real in line with the rumors of Illumanti ritual murder. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing goes on in elite circles and the filmmakers were showing it.

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The scene was originally more violent. Stephen King told Mike Flanagan during a screening.

"It was one of the only times he leaned over to me during the movie was when Tremblay got killed. He leaned over and he was like 'That's a little brutal isn't it?' I was like 'S*** I gotta go back, I gotta go back and edit this. I gotta pull stuff out.' And we did, we changed it.

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I thought you were going to mention another rule of good horror (and hell, of good writing, full stop): your antagonist should be a credible threat.

Seriously, you can't possibly expect your audience to be frightened of them if your protagonist just effortlessly clobbers them in their every single confrontation; not once did it feel to me like Rose was anything more than a mild inconvenience for Abra.

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Really? Interesting...

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That's why it doesn't work as a horror movie in my opinion, though it works as a revenge movie, in the vein of Death Wish (1974).

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You are correct, sir.

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I saw it opening weekend with a total of seven (I counted) people in the audience--all black except myself, oddly enough. It wasn't because there was terrible word of mouth that little Jacob Tremblay had a particularly disturbing death scene. I really can't explain why it flopped. I thought it was a lot more engaging than IT Chapter One (I didn't bother with Chapter Two) and that became one of the most successful horror films ever released. It should be noted both films contain graphic depictions of children being murdered, so your prescription is invalid.

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"You just don't kill children in brutal ways. You just don't."
-Thats not a horror movie rule......

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LOL sure bud.

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