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A Female villain again ?NO thank you Hollywood ...hard pass


This reminds me of Blade Runner 2049 FEMALE VILLAINS RUIN MOVIES(&BOOKS)...She looks lame with that funny hat

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I agree with you about BR 2049. Roy Batty in the original Blade Runner was memorable because he wasn't your average archetypal villain, there was a grey area concerning the morality of his actions. The female villain in 2049 whose name escapes me was Marvel villain level predictable in that her facial expressions and mannerisms were all characteristically evil.

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It's funny, I remember a lot about the new Blade Runner, but not her.

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Same!

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Who was the villain in Blade Runner 2049? Wasn't it Jared Leto?

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True. I don’t think there has ever been a good female villain. It always comes off as more cartoonish.

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Well Rose the Hat wound up being a
Good villain, so there is that.

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lol, what? nope

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I think you've nailed it. Disney had some great female villains. They were just cartoons.

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What about Christabella (Silent Hill), the Alien Queen (Aliens) and that crazy bitch from The Mist?

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Annie Wilkes from Misery.

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Mrs Voorhees!!!

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I dont think an alien species of xenomorph should really count in this list.

The crazy bitch in the mist wasnt really a villain.

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Wilson Ruth in Luther.

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Uhm, she was amazing ... but not sure if i consider her ... the villain ...

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Watch Akira Kurosawa’s Ran. Let me know what you think. :)

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I don’t think there has ever been a good female villain


Durrrr.... Nurse Ratched in Cuckoo’s Nest, Angela Lansbury in Manchurian Candidate, Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard.

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she carried the movie

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According to this site if you have a female hero, it's feminist propaganda. And now if you have a female villain, they ruin the movie? Some folks won't be happy until all females just play dutiful wives, daughters, and murder/kidnap/abuse victims.

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Or, you know, if you write a good character - people will like it, if you write a propaganda character - people wont.

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No such thing as a 'propaganda' character.

I was a staff writer on a British serial for two years; there is quite literally no time available to crowbar in agendas and personal opinions and even if there were they'd never make it past the review and edit stages. Writers pick stories and characteristics that are topical, interesting and different so they can create new and interesting branches of a story, not the same thing that's been done for years and years by the same type of character, i.e. the grizzled divorced cop with nothing in his fridge, it's just more interesting to twist that like a Rubik's cube and pick different colours and patterns. There's no political agenda, writers just got bored of the lack of space those repetitive conventions afford you. It'll probably come back around as trends change, but this incessant supposition that agendas are being pushed is utter, utter crap.

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The writting timetable between a TV series and a movie are hardly the same. Furthermore, agendas certain can and do get into movies and TV shows, the agenda would of course have to be supported by more than just the writer.

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So you think that each iteration of a movie script doesn't go through a huge number of editors, producers, directors, and various other parties?

There are only trends, not agendas. People really need to get over this idea that any movement has the resources and greenlight to be able to force an 'agenda'. What gets asses in seats is really all that matters.

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It highly depends on the production in question. Some projects where you get the writer and director to be the same guy can easily mean that script does not get changed much at all, others may have designed by commitee blandness.

But this shit DOESNT get asses in the seats. The agendra driven movies have underperformed time and time again. Ghostbusters is an exellent example where the director was open about the agenda and it resulted im them having to give away tickets for free just to get people into the theaters.

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No, you mean it doesn't get YOUR ass in the seat.

One example hardly a case makes. That film failed for a variety of reasons, the fact people were boycotting it before it was even released being a major issue, which, you might say, was an agenda in itself: People claiming things are propaganda just because it's not tailored to their personal tastes *is* an agenda these days.

What might be the 'agenda' of the female villain in the based-on-a-book 'Doctor Sleep' be?

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Just look at financial sucess of openly "feminist" movies and youll see they all flopped.

I dont think there is an angenda in this movie.

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Again, besides Ghostbusters - what films?

Bridesmaids? Killed it.
Halloween? Smashed.

The fact that you had to put feminist in inverted commas also underlines the fact that even you think it's an ambiguous catch-all to try and round up examples under.

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Your loss.


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I understand where you are coming from but in this movie Rebecca Ferguson happens to be the best thing about the whole thing. The woman is obviously astonishing to look at (great casting, considering Rose was supposed to be incredibly beautiful) but she was also menacing and extremely likable in her evil ways. Don't give this movie a pass due to this alone.

Also, she was also the villain in the book, so the movie is just being faithful to the book. If the villain in the book was a man and they change it to a woman in the movie then I would understand completely.

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The hat worked on my nerves

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Its supposed to go on your head.

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It still looked silly on her. By the end I was just laughing at how ‘hard’ she was supposed to be but while wearing this hat.

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The hat goes on the head! It's all so obvious now!!!

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I never read the book, but wasn't Rose The Hat a female in the book?

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