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Historical Inaccuracy=Lazy Screenwriting


note about blatant Historical inaccuracy. A lack of historical accuracy in these types of period pictures always suggests lazy screenwriting and the lack of an immersive screenplay. The truth is that this film was written by an idiot who didn't do his homework and decided he'd sell his soul and write a cliche Hollywood screenplay --for some easy money-- instead of an original and immersive screenplay. This film is doomed to mediocrity and rightly so. The problem is that there are a lot of great Westerns that can and should be made but thanks to these morons those Westerns will never see the light of day thanks to low Box Office potential. Once again, the lack of basic historical accuracy is directly related to blatantly lazy screenwriting almost always-- and the cliche roll of the eyes worthy plotline combined with the lack of historical accuracy is enough to suggest that this film is going to be a steaming pile of crap.


So it?s like 3:10 to Yuma mixed with Homesman where Bale escorts someone in a historically inaccurate cheese-fest white savior film about a (no doubt do gooder) white guy who is of course a ?legendary? Army Captain ?saving? an Indian from other ?evil? Indians, and then of course to be PC we have Bale meet a woman who no doubt will be a Mary Sue/ strong and independent and a great shot to satisfy the feminazi?s. Hey why not include a "former slave" sidekick who escaped and killed his masters too! *rolls eyes*

Never mind that by 1880 the last non reservation holdouts of the Comanche were thrown into reservations, and the only ?tribal lands? for the Cheyenne were in South Dakota. All that they had in Montana was an Indian Reservation the army forced them into lol

and also the fact that white soldiers perpetrated the worst genocide amongst the Native?s even as far as 1890 (Lokota massacre) and wouldn?t care about helping an old man back to a reservation in Montana. (Not saying Bale 'wants' to help, but certainly he's helping because he was asked to do so-- by a white man)

So much cliche cheese, Hollywood? grab a history book or talk to a historian for crying out loud. You're dooming the Western genre to mediocrity which is sad considering the Western age in America is probably one of the most interesting periods of all time with millions of fantastic true stories to tell. This is a movie and taking reality (Western world) and mixing it in with fiction (made up story) is fine, but at least get the reality part (Western world) right otherwise it should rightly be deemed lazy screenwriting.

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Rage on Mr Bee In Your Bonnet.

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Lol. This was the longest I've ever seen someone fight a straw man.

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That great you feel the need to trash my dead father Donald Edward Stewart, the man who wrote the first draft. Oh ya how many Oscars, BAFTA's and WGA awards do you have??? It called Hollywood and being creative. Have a nice day.

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Well 1.) This isn't about Mr. Stewart it's about Scott Cooper, since Scott Cooper is the person who "reimagined" the screenplay based off of your fathers manuscript. Meaning the basic premise of the "Army guy escorts native chief against hostile Native's and Mother Nature" is probably your fathers contrubution-- which is admittedly an intriguing plotline. The female whose family was massacred is likely Scott Coopers Hollywood inclusion.

2.) I don't expect someone from the 1950s to be as versed in particulars as someone who has the Internet in 2016, your father gets a pass for that but Scott Cooper could have easily updated the tribes identity. But he didn't, why? Lazy screenwriting.

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MassChaos
Kudos.....first, I agree with your post.
Second, really appreciate the way you diffused the situation. Kudos man ??

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Can you add a TL:DR to that please?

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Evidently anything over a couple sentences is too long for you, lol.

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You know what I don't understand...I mean, you've got some good points, but man, you see a woman take up a rifle and boom, SJW alert! Its weird to me that, hell, women make up half our population, its probably going to happen more often than not that you see one in a movie doing things that are reflective of strength, and apparently this is going to be a problem for a lot of people.
Anyway, it colors your perspective, IMO, makes it look like you've got some kind of axe to grind and/or maybe just like picking apart things for the sheer joy...being joyless? Lol , showcasing your knowledge? I don't know...but pointing out a woman who knows how to shoot a rifle, in a western mind you, seems a bit like you're reaching.

An aside...there was an article yesterday about a woman who had her bike stolen, right? And she put up a sign where she'd left it, asking the thief to return it. Instead, she received a couple hundred bucks from a stranger for a new one.
And the common section below it is just riddled with people picking apart the story, did we all notice the SJW angle?? See how the story mentioned something about a female shop owner?? The public is being brainwashed and they don't even know it!
Except...nah, I hadn't noticed myself...and I'm glad for it. Because while these people were up in arms about the conspiracy to brainwash people, I guess in my blissful ignorance, I just saw a story about kindness from strangers, which I'd think anyone would prefer, really.

I'm just saying that you might want to be careful of how quick you are to see fault, to pick apart stuff and realize that a less cynical outlook is probably going to benefit you in the long run. I imagine you're going to spend a lot of time finding things to be ticked about otherwise.

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A sign of times - and we most certainly live in interesting times - the battle between genders is turning hostile.
Hollywood is not helping the matters either. But yes - those who are the manly men's side, now see any and every woman who stands up for herself a SJW, and the hard core feminists see men who look at women in any way that is sexual as perverted demons in disguise.

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thanks for this great post OP , i agree with everything 1000%

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