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Josie + The Pussycats! Hello!?!


Theyre totally just putting all their characters there.

I liked the 2001 movie. Shut up.

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Archie Comics probably wanted to spin them off in case Riverdale is a hit but people prefer a Sabrina spin-off than those 3.

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You're right about the Josie spinoff, but Sabrina needs to rest.

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I think our first Riverdale spin-off would be Sabrina. The creator of the show (who also writes the horror Archie comics) seems to be way more interested in the idea of bringing Sabrina back to TV in the various interview videos with him on YouTube.

Before we start talking about a Josie TV spin-off, first let's get a Archie Horror title of Josie first, that sounds more interesting anyway. Since they've done zombies and witchcraft, the band could be... demon hunters or something.


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There's potential for Josie show if they make it like Empire. The actors can really sing.

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I can see why theyd put all three Pussycat Dolls. However they may not use Sabrina considering cbs owns the rights. They may not have the rights to use her character.

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They're going to use Sabrina. They've already talked about this. CW is co-owned by CBS and WB so I don't see the problem with that assuming CBS still owns the IP for Sabrina.

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Those aren't Josie and the Pussycats though. Josie and the Pussycats are a redhead, a platinum blonde and only ONE black girl. Hollywood just keeps ruining classic comic book IPs by making these stupid changes.

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There's a racial double standard concerning whitewashing characters, but they're Josie band. Live with it.

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There's a racial double standard concerning whitewashing characters


In what way?

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I can agree with the angry white guys that a black character being played by a white person would provoke outrage. David Mamet made the case for a white Raisin in the Sun, and he sounded ridiculous.

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Well, there's been some outrage about the black Pussycats from fans who wanted a more accurate casting, so it works both ways.

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We'll have to disagree. This board is the only place I'm hearing outrage. And it's mild.

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I have seen a LOT of hostility to the casting of the Pussycats. And Veronica for that matter. On Facebook and other sites.

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Dunno why but the Veronica race change doesn't bother me.

Maybe it is because the actress looks so much like what a Latina version of a live action Vernoica would look like?

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Huh? Josie and the Pussycats yes but I've never seen anyone getting disliking Veronica's casting.
Archie's actor is half-asian
Dilton and Reggie are asian

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I've seen more negativity towards Veronica's casting than any other. Probably because she's one of the main four characters. If I see "not Veronica" one more time I'll retch.

Archie's actor is actually 1/4 Samoan, and Reggie's half Asian. Dilton was Asian in the pilot, but for the ongoing show he was recast white.

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I've seen more negativity towards Veronica's casting than any other. Probably because she's one of the main four characters. If I see "not Veronica" one more time I'll retch.


Really? Where?

Archie's actor is actually 1/4 Samoan...


Ah, that explains it.

...And Reggie's half Asian.


 Oi vey...

Dilton was Asian in the pilot, but for the ongoing show he was recast white.


I don't think an Asian Dilton would have bugged me in this case.

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The new Dilton actor is half asian and half white though he could pass for a white guy.

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Yeah. I noticed.

He looks like an Asian version of a live action Dilton so I can live with that casting.

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That new Dilton actor is still part asian.
This dislike for Veronica being Latina, I'm just not seeing it whether on facebook or any archie/4chan forums. The dislike I see are all from Josie and the Pussycats.

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That new Dilton actor is still part asian.


Which one is he going to be? The top one or the middle one?https://twitter.com/RiverdaleBrasil/status/778366991291846656?lang=en
Confusing.

This dislike for Veronica being Latina, I'm just not seeing it whether on facebook or any archie/4chan forums. The dislike I see are all from Josie and the Pussycats.


Most people who complain about Veronica's casting on Facebook don't say it's because she's Latina (though they did on the old Archie forum). But that's obviously why. It can't just be because she doesn't look exactly like Veronica, because the actors for Archie and Jughead look even less like their characters, and they don't get as many complaints. Not everyone who complains about Josie's casting mentions her race either, but we know that's the reason since she doesn't look white and racechange is always the first thing people latch onto when they react to a casting, especially for a female. The same is true of this mixed-race-looking Veronica. And like I said, the comments I've seen on her are more hostile than the ones for the Pussycats, e.g. "You didn't cast that awful girl as Veronica."



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Most people who complain about Veronica's casting on Facebook don't say it's because she's Latina (though they did on the old Archie forum). But that's obviously why.


 Oh brother...

It can't just be because she doesn't look exactly like Veronica, because the actors for Archie and Jughead look even less like their characters, and they don't get as many complaints.


There are no complaints.

Not everyone who complains about Josie's casting mentions her race either, but we know that's the reason since she doesn't look white and racechange is always the first thing people latch onto when they react to a casting, especially for a female.


Casting complainers sometimes don't mention her race at all? I doubt that.

ESPECIALLY for a female?

And like I said, the comments I've seen on her are more hostile than the ones for the Pussycats, e.g. "You didn't cast that awful girl as Veronica."


Who said that and when?

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Oh brother...


Lol, what would your explanation be?



There are no complaints.


Since you haven't seen enough feedback to even know that Dilton and Reggie are Asian, yeah, you might assume that, though I'm surprised you'd boldly declare it as fact. There has been bitching about almost every casting on the show, especially the race changes.



Casting complainers sometimes don't mention her race at all? I doubt that.


Who said that and when?



Go to the official Archie facebook page and do a search for the quote I gave. And just look at the other comments on the show. There are a lot of entries for it going back all the way to February, so I'm not going to dig them all up individually.

And how do you assume that anyone who complains about Josie MUST be complaining about her race, but anyone who complains about Veronica must NOT be complaining about her race?


ESPECIALLY for a female?



Yes, especially for a female. Female actors are judged more on their looks and sex appeal than male actors, and there have been a lot more complaints about the casting of Josie and the Pussycats and Veronica than there have been about Dilton and Reggie.


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Lol, what would your explanation be?


No one is complaining about Veronica.

Since you haven't seen enough feedback to even know that Dilton and Reggie are Asian, yeah, you might assume that, though I'm surprised you'd boldly declare it as fact.


I didn't bother looking up the main cast so I don't know who was cast in those roles, whatever race they were.

There has been bitching about almost every casting on the show, especially the race changes.


Less so Veronica apparently.

Go to the official Archie facebook page and do a search for the quote I gave. And just look at the other comments on the show. There are a lot of entries for it going back all the way to February, so I'm not going to dig them all up individually.


I find it suspicious that you couldn't just link one

And how do you assume that anyone who complains about Josie MUST be complaining about her race, but anyone who complains about Veronica must NOT be complaining about her race?


I'm saying that I don't think critics of Josie's casting do NOT mention the annoying race change.

Yes, especially for a female. Female actors are judged more on their looks and sex appeal than male actors...


That is true.

...And there have been a lot more complaints about the casting of Josie and the Pussycats and Veronica than there have been about Dilton and Reggie.


That might have something to do with them not being regular characters and haven't been featured in the marketing.

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No one is complaining about Veronica.


If you limit yourself to this board, you're right.


I didn't bother looking up the main cast so I don't know who was cast in those roles, whatever race they were.


My point was, if you'd read more feedback, you would have seen the reaction to their casting.


Less so Veronica apparently.


Than who?

(And by "race changes" I meant the actors themselves, if you're confused on that.)

I find it suspicious that you couldn't just link one


I find it weird that you think someone would make up something like that...for the hell of it? Also kind of lazy that you won't do what I suggested and look it up on Facebook, but instead want me to, when you're the one who wants to see them. And collecting a list of comments there isn't instant like finding and linking the article about diverse casts making more money, when those comments are spread out over almost a year, sometimes with hundreds on one post; and finding "just one" wouldn't make my point. You can find more than just one if you get at it.




I'm saying that I don't think critics of Josie's casting do NOT mention the annoying race change.


Yes, I know. I asked why you assume anyone complaining about Josie's casting must be doing it because of her race (so of course they would mention it), but that anyone complaining about Veronica must be doing it for some other reason (which is why you highlighted the "but that's obviously why" in my reply). Strange attitude since both their ethnicities are obvious in their looks, they're both unknown enough that their physical appearance is the only thing most people could judge them on, and prejudice against blacks and latinos (and race changes) is not uncommon.


That might have something to do with them not being regular characters and haven't been featured in the marketing.


With Dilton, maybe; with Reggie, I doubt it. He's one of the most popular comics characters and if people were as bothered by his casting they would have complained more, no matter how little publicity he gets for this show. Fans might not be thrilled with it but they don't seem as upset about it as for the girls.



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My point was, if you'd read more feedback, you would have seen the reaction to their casting.


That's the thing. I didn't even know about 'them' in the first place to even comment if they were cast lily white or not. I've only concerned myself with the big four and Josie and the Pussycats.

Than who?

(And by "race changes" I meant the actors themselves, if you're confused on that.)


Veronica's race changing is aparrently less used as a point of criticism unlike Josie's.

"Veronica looks too short compared to the comics." is about the worst I could fine on the Riverdale Facebook page.

Oh I know that there are some that criticize casting decisions. People do that ALL the time on forums. Especially with this twisted take on Archie.

I find it weird that you think someone would make up something like that...for the hell of it? Also kind of lazy that you won't do what I suggested and look it up on Facebook, but instead want me to, when you're the one who wants to see them. And collecting a list of comments there isn't instant like finding and linking the article about diverse casts making more money, when those comments are spread out over almost a year, sometimes with hundreds on one post; and finding "just one" wouldn't make my point. You can find more than just one if you get at it.


https://www.facebook.com/CWRiverdale/posts/

I tried. Nothing as I thought.

Yes, I know. I asked why you assume anyone complaining about Josie's casting must be doing it because of her race (so of course they would mention it), but that anyone complaining about Veronica must be doing it for some other reason (which is why you highlighted the "but that's obviously why" in my reply).


...Because they would just SAY it.

With Dilton, maybe; with Reggie, I doubt it. He's one of the most popular comics characters and if people were as bothered by his casting they would have complained more, no matter how little publicity he gets for this show. Fans might not be thrilled with it but they don't seem as upset about it as for the girls.


You're being paranoid. Josie and Veronica have simply been everywhere marketing wise.

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That's the thing. I didn't even know about 'them' in the first place to even comment if they were cast lily white or not. I've only concerned myself with the big four and Josie and the Pussycats.


You don't understand what I said...never mind.

Veronica's race changing is aparrently less used as a point of criticism unlike Josie's.

"Veronica looks too short compared to the comics." is about the worst I could fine on the Riverdale Facebook page.


https://www.facebook.com/CWRiverdale/posts/
I tried. Nothing as I thought.


I told you to go to the official Archie facebook page. Anyway, since you think that they would all SAY they didn't like her being cast colorblind, you won't be convinced by those criticisms; I already said most of them don't say it. But you should look them up anyway; you owe that much after all this.


Oh I know that there are some that criticize casting decisions. People do that ALL the time on forums. Especially with this twisted take on Archie.


There is no reason to criticize Josie or Veronica's casting. Apart from their race. No acting history we can see yet, no dumb offscreen antics, no preconceptions, and they're both more than pretty enough. What other reasons do you think people would have for criticizing her?

...Because they would just SAY it.


No, they wouldn't.


You're being paranoid. Josie and Veronica have simply been everywhere marketing wise.


You haven't seen much of Archie fans, have you?










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You don't understand what I said...never mind.


Apparently not.

I told you to go to the official Archie facebook page. Anyway, since you think that they would all SAY they didn't like her being cast colorblind, you won't be convinced by those criticisms; I already said most of them don't say it. But you should look them up anyway; you owe that much after all this.


 You're pinning your evasiveness on me!

There is no reason to criticize Josie or Veronica's casting. Apart from their race. No acting history we can see yet, no dumb offscreen antics, no preconceptions, and they're both more than pretty enough. What other reasons do you think people would have for criticizing her?


I already KNOW that people don't like that Josie's race was changed and THAT'S what they're criticizing...because they've been BLATANTLY saying it.

No, they wouldn't.


They seem to for Josie just fine.

You haven't seen much of Archie fans, have you?


Archie fans aren't the only ones interested in this show.

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You're pinning your evasiveness on me!


You rant on about white actors being innocent victims wrongly punished, that audiences don't care about actors' races, that the article I linked to proves that, that this show doesn't have enough white people to be diverse; almost everything you've said in this thread is wrong, and you go to a different facebook page than the one I named; after realizing you screwed up, you try to cover yourself by complaining that I'm 'evasive' for not sifting through it myself to collect comments (scattered over a year) that I didn't like seeing the first time and sure would rather not see reproduced on this board--but I should go find them for your trolling convenience?

Like I said, you owe that much, but I'm keeping my expectations low.

I already KNOW that people don't like that Josie's race was changed and THAT'S what they're criticizing...because they've been BLATANTLY saying it.


My question was about what you think they're criticizing Veronica's casting for.

They seem to for Josie just fine.


So what? Not everyone is open about the reason for their dislike. Archie Comics' gay character Kevin Keller got all kinds of insults in his early years from fans who never said anything anti-gay, even though that was clearly their reason, because there was nothing else it could be. The same goes for Veronica. Just because people complain openly about the race of one casting doesn't mean they'll be open about all of them. There are a lot of reasons people would feel safer bringing Josie's race up than Veronica's. Josie looks much less like her character; it was part of a bigger race change with all three Pussycats and to some people it erased Valerie; and they didn't want the band's music to sound like Destiny's Child (Roberto Aguirre Sacasa's description of how he saw them). It's more acceptable to complain about that than to just whine "I want this character to be pure white."

Archie fans aren't the only ones interested in this show.


But they do comment. That's the point.




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Archie's actor is half-asian


Really?

Dilton and Reggie are asian


If so, that's just as obnoxious as the Pussycats all being black.

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The double standard is against white people.

Traditionally white characters are altered to be black and white people are supposed to grin and bear it less they're called racist.

Most 'whitewashing' that happens today is overstated and has extenuating circumstances attached.

I'M not white and I hate the radical race changing of the Pussycats. But alas, what can be done except to... well, grin and bear it.

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The double standard is against white people.

Traditionally white characters are altered to be black and white people are supposed to grin and bear it less they're called racist.

Most 'whitewashing' that happens today is overstated and has extenuating circumstances attached.


But it was the other way around for a lot longer, and during those racist years such a huge stockpile of white characters was built up, racechanging a few now hardly makes a dent. That can't be said of casting non-white characters white.


I'M not white and I hate the radical race changing of the Pussycats. But alas, what can be done except to... well, grin and bear it.


I know that not all the objections to the Pussycats are racist. The comics had existing black characters who could have used the spotlight instead, and one of the best things about the Pussycats is that they were integrated for so long. But since they chose this way, it doesn't deserve all the criticism it's gotten, and some of them are overt "don't change any character's race ever" or "PC agenda" complaints.




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But it was the other way around for a lot longer, and during those racist years such a huge stockpile of white characters was built up, race changing a few now hardly makes a dent. That can't be said of casting non-white characters white.


What exactly are you saying?

That white-to-non-white race changing is justified to 'balance out' past whitewashing or that white-to-non-white race changing is NOT justified but less egregious because of PAST greater injustices?

Either way, both are completely childish arguments. Makes a dent? You can't punish PRESENT day audiences for PAST mistakes that have since been corrected. And using MORE injustice to battle injustice (real or, most often, imagined)

I know that not all the objections to the Pussycats are racist. The comics had existing black characters who could have used the spotlight instead, and one of the best things about the Pussycats is that they were integrated for so long.


...Agreed.

But since they chose this way, it doesn't deserve all the criticism it's gotten, and some of them are overt "don't change any character's race ever" or "PC agenda" complaints.


Huh? Why DON'T they deserve all the criticism they are getting? You just made a good point that I quoted above about the producers' shortsightedness with this casting.

And what exactly is wrong with overt complaints about 'not changing any character's race ever' (which applies to non-white-to-white race changing as well as the reverse) and the obnoxious PC agenda?

I love diversity but I hate political correctness and pandering even more.

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Really? Where?


On Facebook mostly. That's where I've seen most Riverdale discussion. There was also an Archie message board which doesn't seem to exist anymore but was around when the casting happened and a lot of fans there were angry about it.

What exactly are you saying?

That white-to-non-white race changing is justified to 'balance out' past whitewashing or that white-to-non-white race changing is NOT justified but less egregious because of PAST greater injustices?

Either way, both are completely childish arguments. Makes a dent? You can't punish PRESENT day audiences for PAST mistakes that have since been corrected. And using MORE injustice to battle injustice (real or, most often, imagined)


You have to look at race changing (for any race) case by case to say if it's justified. But yes, it is less harmful, usually, both socially and artistically, to racechange a white character into something else. Socially, because whites have more representation than they need, and artistically, because the race of white characters tends to be less noted in the dialogue and plot than the race of nonwhites. And the PAST mistakes and injustices stay with us, because the white characters invented in the past are still the popular characters in movies and shows that we watch today (like this series), so some of them get changed to provide balance; it isn't about punishing anyone or committing an injustice.


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You have to look at race changing (for any race) case by case to say if it's justified.


Agreed.

I usually don't care when minor characters, that haven't been so pop culturally established, have their races changed from white to non-white—and the reverse too.

Socially, because whites have more representation that they need...


They NEED? It's not a competition between the races for acting roles

The white actor is out to make a living performing and not take away a minority actor's job.

[/quote]...And artistically, because the race of white characters tends to be less noted in the dialogue and plot than the race of nonwhites.[/quote]

That is true but that's just incidental of whites simply being a greater percentage of the population of the mainland North American population.

And the PAST mistakes and injustices stay with us, because the white characters invented in the past are still the popular characters in movies and shows that we watch today (like this series), so some of them get changed to provide balance; it isn't about punishing anyone or committing an injustice.


Balance? Why do we need balance? Minority audiences enjoy the adventures of these established white characters just as well and rewriting the past is a foolish way of generating more diversity.

You ARE punishing people and committing and injustice in EFFECT even if not in INTENT when you're race-changing to pander or be politically correct when you could simply cast minority actors as ORIGINAL characters (and actual, non-white established past creations and minor characters.)

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They NEED? It's not a competition between the races for acting roles

The white actor is out to make a living performing and not take away a minority actor's job.


[I should have said "more representation THAN they need" and I just corrected it; Sorry for the typo.]

Who said anything about actors competing for roles? I don't care about that. Representation is more important in how it affects the people watching the shows.


Balance? Why do we need balance? Minority audiences enjoy the adventures of these established white characters just as well and rewriting the past is a foolish way of generating more diversity.

You ARE punishing people and committing and injustice in EFFECT even if not in INTENT when you're race-changing to pander or be politically correct when you could simply cast minority actors as ORIGINAL characters (and actual, non-white established past creations and minor characters.)


We need more balance because of how it affects the younger people (of all races) watching the shows. It would be better to get it through original minority characters, but creators today are almost as bad about making their heroes white as the creators of the past. And anyone who feels they're being "punished" by this has to deal with their own problem. Really. If we are going to use the word punishment that flexibly, don't you think we are punished by always seeing a sea of white faces on the screen?

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Representation is more important in how it affects the people watching the shows.


Audiences want to watch GOOD actors perform a role REGARDLESS of race first and foremost.

If they want diversity, they'd rather it be from ORIGINAL characters.

We need more balance because of how it affects the younger people (of all races) watching the shows.


They don't care. Or at least would rather not be pandered to by seeing established characters have their races changed.

It would be better to get it through original minority characters, but creators today are almost as bad about making their heroes white as the creators of the past.


Incidental. There are simply MORE white people in the U.S. and Canada and they are spread out more widely.

And anyone who feels they're being "punished" by this has to deal with their own problem.


Innocent white actors' jobs are on the line because of nonsensical reasons and are being taught to grin and bear it. They ARE being punished.

If we are going to use the word punishment that flexibly, don't you think we are punished by always seeing a sea of white faces on the screen?


No. Like I said, majority white casting is incidental and not racial and audiences of all colors care more about good acting regardless of the race of Actor X—playing an original role.

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Audiences want to watch GOOD actors perform a role REGARDLESS of race first and foremost.


http://time.com/money/4237685/movies-diversity-casts-money/


If they want diversity, they'd rather it be from ORIGINAL characters.


I said that already. Yes, in an ideal wonderful world it would happen that way.


Incidental. There are simply MORE white people in the U.S. and Canada and they are spread out more widely.


You know, I don't think in this day and age that it really matters who lives where. Thanks to the internet, most people are aware of just how unwhite the world as a whole is, in a way that they never really were back when they could rarely connect with people who didn't look like them. That's probably one of the main things driving the demand for diversity.


Innocent white actors' jobs are on the line because of nonsensical reasons and are being taught to grin and bear it. They ARE being punished.


You're kidding, right?

No. Like I said, majority white casting is incidental and not racial and audiences of all colors care more about good acting regardless of the race of Actor X—playing an original role.


Apparently not true, if you follow the link I put up there.



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http://time.com/money/4237685/movies-diversity-casts-money/


Did you even read this article? It shows that audiences don't especially care for diverse casts.

I said that already. Yes, in an ideal wonderful world it would happen that way.


It SHOULD only be that way. You can't make an ideal world by being so cynical.

You know, I don't think in this day and age that it really matters who lives where. Thanks to the internet, most people are aware of just how unwhite the world as a whole is, in a way that they never really were back when they could rarely connect with people who didn't look like them. That's probably one of the main things driving the demand for diversity.


I said the U.S. and Canada and not the world. And white people are part of the world and to shrug them off as either closet racists or entitled brats if they ever complain about obnoxious race changing to established characters is wrong. Diversity INCLUDES white people.

You're kidding, right?


No, I am not. Quit punishing white people for doing nothing other than simply being born to the more populous race in western civilization.

Apparently not true, if you follow the link I put up there.


That article doesn't even pertain to what I quoted.



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Did you even read this article? It shows that audiences don't especially care for diverse casts.


Movies make the most money when exactly half the cast is non-white, a new report from the University of California, Los Angeles found.

What did you read in that article that made you write your second sentence?


I said the U.S. and Canada and not the world.


And I said I doubt locations matter much anymore; that includes the U.S. and Canada. I'll amend that, though, to "among English speaking countries".

And white people are part of the world and to shrug them off as either closet racists or entitled brats if they ever complain about obnoxious race changing to established characters is wrong.


Are you talking about me shrugging you off?

Diversity INCLUDES white people.


The cast of this show is mostly white. The three most important parts are white (Archie, Jughead and Betty), and Kevin, Moose, Cheryl, Jason, Ethel, and all their parents and siblings are white. Even Reggie and Veronica are half white. Ms. Grundy's white, the butler's white and Sabrina will probably be white. It's more white than anything, so...what are you talking about?


No, I am not. Quit punishing white people for doing nothing other than simply being born to the more populous race in western civilization.


How is "punishing" white actors and "putting innocent white actors' jobs on the line" worse than doing the same thing to non-white actors, if you cast those Riverdale roles with whites?


That article doesn't even pertain to what I quoted.


You didn't quote anything. What you said ("Audiences want to watch GOOD actors perform a role REGARDLESS of race first and foremost. If they want diversity, they'd rather it be from ORIGINAL characters." "No. Like I said, majority white casting is incidental and not racial and audiences of all colors care more about good acting regardless of the race of Actor X—playing an original role.") is disproved by the article showing that audiences prefer their GOOD actors to come in a variety of races.


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"What did you read in that article that made you write your second sentence?"

This part: 'But films with a majority of non-white actors are not as profitable.'

By the way, audiences and viewers, including white people, love diversity. But diversity itself does not a hit film or show make. There are plenty of shows that have flopped with minority leads and diverse casts and there are plenty of hit shows with non-diverse casts that non-white viewers enjoy.

Audiences and viewers do not especially care for diversity; great acting is what it is all about.

"Are you talking about me shrugging you off?"

What? No. I'm talking about white complaints about race-changing being shrugged off by people.

"And I said I doubt locations matter much anymore; that includes the U.S. and Canada. I'll amend that, though, to "among English speaking countries"."

People already know that different races live among majority white nations or English-speaking countries or whatever else you're trying to say. I don't see the point though. Producers shouldn't be wasting their time picking and

"The cast of this show is mostly white. The three most important parts are white (Archie, Jughead and Betty), and Kevin, Moose, Cheryl, Jason, Ethel, and all their parents and siblings are white. Even Reggie and Veronica are half white. Ms. Grundy's white, the butler's white and Sabrina will probably be white. It's more white than anything, so...what are you talking about?"

I was talking in general. I've seen perfectly diverse casts criticized as still too white as if white people aren't part of diversity too.

But as for Archie or any other adaptation whose characters' races are very well-established in pop culture, it is obnoxious pandering when their race is changed from white to non-white. If they want more racial diversity (as if viewers care all that much), create ORIGINAL non-white character or race-change LESSER-KNOWN characters rather than annoying others and telling them to suck it up for some imaginary greater good.

How is "punishing" white actors and "putting innocent white actors' jobs on the line" worse than doing the same thing to non-white actors, if you cast those Riverdale roles with whites?


You're not doing the same thing. You're not even doing anything.

You're simply casting am established character with the acording race. A white person wouldn't care less if Famous Minority Character X is cast by a minority actor so in turn a minority actor shouldn't care less if a white person only is cast as Famous White Character X.

[quote]You didn't quote anything. What you said ("Audiences want to watch GOOD actors perform a role REGARDLESS of race first and foremost. If they want diversity, they'd rather it be from ORIGINAL characters." "No. Like I said, majority white casting is incidental and not racial and audiences of all colors care more about good acting regardless of the race of Actor X—playing an original role.") is disproved by the article showing that audiences prefer their GOOD actors to come in a variety of races.

...Which INCLUDES white people.

And did that article say anything about obnoxious race changes to famous characters to pander to them?

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