Poor carbon copy


I only watched the Pilot so far, but at this point, it just seems to be a poor carbon copy of the Norwegian original. Perhaps there will be some new plot points in the following episodes but if they don´t it´s just going to be another "The Killing", "The IT-Crowd" or "Skins".

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This show is very good. It IS a remake so it's of course going to be similar, even carbon copy-ish and that's not a problem. Given the fact that there's ten episodes of this show and only six of the original show, there's more material here and I'm sure there's differences down the line. Don't just bail on the show because it's so similar to the first episode of the original show. Stick with it and take it as it's own thing. The writing, directing, acting, gritty tone to it is just astonishing.

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OK, so now that I finished Episode 4 I have to admit that it´s not as bad as I feared but I still don´t understand why they have to remake almost every great foreign TV show.

There might be more Episodes but the US Version is only 42 minutes per episode while the Norwegian is 60 Minutes that leaves with about 1 episode more run time.

I said "poor carbon copy" with emphasis on the poor because it just seemed lazy and unoriginal. And since it is a remake it has to be reviewed as such.

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They remake shows because they're interesting and they'd like to share the love to another country. But the show probably isn't in English so they have to remake it. Even some English speaking shows from other countries like "Shameless" get remade for the sole purpose of providing some American style to it so Americans can appeal to it better. Frankly, I find the American version of "Shameless" better than the British version. Being American, I can relate to it better and our version just seems more entertaining and British accents can be super thick it's hard to understand them when they're yelling. That's also a plus when remaking shows, to provide some tweaking if something can or ought to be better.

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But the show probably isn't in English so they have to remake it.


You can always dub it.


get remade for the sole purpose of providing some American style to it so Americans can appeal to it better.


Why do you always need to appeal to everything? I can only think of ONE tv show that was remade for German television and I have never met anyone who can´t enjoy a tv show just because it depicts a lifestyle that´s different from Germanys.


British accents can be super thick it's hard to understand them when they're yelling


So can American accents.


That's also a plus when remaking shows, to provide some tweaking if something can or ought to be better.


None of the changes they added to "Eyewitness" made it better. Why do the producers and "creators" feel the need to just copy something someone else already made? If someone did this to Harry Potter and set it in the USA, made Hermione black, the entrance to the train station would be behind the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty and Harry and Hermione ended up together that would be just stupid why are we treating tv shows differently than novels?

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You can always dub it.

Yeah, but I prefer that only to be done with animated shows. I always found dubbing of live action shows weird.
Why do you always need to appeal to everything?

Because if there's no appeal, then the show/movie goes to waste. You do whatever you feel is necessary for your audience to relate to the show.
I can only think of ONE tv show that was remade for German television and I have never met anyone who can´t enjoy a tv show just because it depicts a lifestyle that´s different from Germanys.

Well get use to it because it's how a lot of people are. They tend to appeal to things that has their country's culture in it. That's why most movies and shows made in one country are usually aimed for that country. My country is not constantly bloated with material from other countries. It's usually always American shows and movies on my American TV channels.
So can American accents.

Um, not really. What the hell country are you from to be saying that? If you're American, you're clearly out of your mind.
None of the changes they added to "Eyewitness" made it better. Why do the producers and "creators" feel the need to just copy something someone else already made?

To improve on it or tell it in a different way and give their own flavor to the mix. Things get remade/copied all the time like movies and songs. TV shows shouldn't bother you if those two things don't.
If someone did this to Harry Potter and set it in the USA, made Hermione black, the entrance to the train station would be behind the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty and Harry and Hermione ended up together that would be just stupid why are we treating tv shows differently than novels?

As far as novels go, they often get changed around in other countries. MATILDA, is a British story set in Britain, but the movie version is American but ironically has a British actress in it. The changes made to Harry Potter would only be necessary if the people behind it decided not to follow the book series and that wouldn't be received too well so there's no point of even doing it unless it's Harry Potter inspired and it deals with new characters attending a magic wizarding school in America.

But hey, you're complaining about changes being made here from a novel, so why does it bother you that the American version of this show didn't make changes to the Norwegian version? But just understand, the Norwegian show was basically only famous in that country and no one on the outside knew of it. The company in America producing this show at least thought to work with it's content but make it American for us. Granted they didn't the original show itself and dub it, but what they did was better than nothing.

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I always found dubbing of live action shows weird.


OK, I can´t help you with that. The only reason I do not like some dubbings is because some jokes just don´t work when they are translated. But luckily that´s not the case in Drama/Thriller etc tv shows/films.


Because if there's no appeal, then the show/movie goes to waste. You do whatever you feel is necessary for your audience to relate to the show.


Of course but it´s ridiculous that you don´t want to watch something just because it´s set in another country. But I guess the only appeal Americans need is a setting in the USA. Or at least that's the highest priority. And the runner up is an interesting, intriguing storyline and characters.


What the hell country are you from to be saying that? If you're American, you're clearly out of your mind.


I´m German.

To improve on it or tell it in a different way and give their own flavor to the mix. Things get remade/copied all the time like movies and songs. TV shows shouldn't bother you if those two things don't.


Either way, this just shows that there are only very few creative people out there. Everyone can add their own "flavour to the mix" but only very few can think of something innovative. I´m not a fan of remakes of films or covers of songs either. At least if the films weren´t based on a novel. And I just don´t like certain songs to be covered.



so why does it bother you that the American version of this show didn't make changes to the Norwegian version?


I couldn´t care less for changes they did or did not make. I just can´t stand it when there is an unnecessary adaptation of an already very good tv show just so a neophobic audience doesn´t need to adjust their "safe space".


But just understand, the Norwegian show was basically only famous in that country and no one on the outside knew of it.


Just because Americans don´t care for tv shows in other countries doesn´t mean that Non-American tv shows and films can´t be successful and well known outside from where they were originally broadcast.




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OK, I can´t help you with that. The only reason I do not like some dubbings is because some jokes just don´t work when they are translated. But luckily that´s not the case in Drama/Thriller etc tv shows/films.

Can't argue with this. You're right, it's not the case in drama/thriller shows.
Of course but it´s ridiculous that you don´t want to watch something just because it´s set in another country.

It's not about not watching it, but does it hold the same appeal as it could if it was made in this country. It's not a bad thing. I'm sure those studios behind the remake shows would love to showcase the original, but they're probably afraid the audience wouldn't like them so they have to improvise and work on alternative solutions.
But I guess the only appeal Americans need is a setting in the USA. Or at least that's the highest priority. And the runner up is an interesting, intriguing storyline and characters.

Pretty much, that's why some Japanese anime shows that get dubbed in America are often Americanized so the kids can relate to them better like with name changes to something localized and easy to pronounce along with a change in music scores and theme songs to something American-style (and sometimes better fitting) and American jokes.
I´m German.

No wonder you brought up Germany and a German remake of a show made there.....
Either way, this just shows that there are only very few creative people out there. Everyone can add their own "flavour to the mix" but only very few can think of something innovative. I´m not a fan of remakes of films or covers of songs either. At least if the films weren´t based on a novel. And I just don´t like certain songs to be covered.

You do realize how many shows we've had made since the invention of television and in every country total at that? A heck of a lot of them! Ideas for new material these days is SLIM and I'm not sure how this is going to improve over the next century. Every idea that could be thought of would have been done to death and you're left to do remakes of foreign shows and only able to provide little changes and tweaks. That's probably all the originality that can be done by that point, making tweaks to other existing shows if remade then coming up with an entirely new concepts. A lot of shows and movies now are unintended rehashes of shows and movies made in the past that people mind as well just directly remake something so they don't get the backlash of ripping off another work and trying to play hush hush.
I couldn´t care less for changes they did or did not make. I just can´t stand it when there is an unnecessary adaptation of an already very good tv show just so a neophobic audience doesn´t need to adjust their "safe space".

Well you're not Norwegian to even care, so get over it. You're acting so offended and it's just humorous to me. The American people at USA network meant no harm and weren't trying to out-do the original or make people not know about it. In fact, then doing this is getting people to look it up and know about the original. If I haven't come across this show, I wouldn't have known about the original and I didn't.
Just because Americans don´t care for tv shows in other countries doesn´t mean that Non-American tv shows and films can´t be successful and well known outside from where they were originally broadcast.

Well many of them tend not to be or be given the same appeal and that's just life. Most material from other countries do not get that big of an appeal elsewhere unless it's tweaked and changed around and in better cases, remade. It's not the end of the world and the shows are at least popular and famous themselves in their own country and the remakes still pay their respects to them.

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Has anybody noticed that this guy has a sexual fetish for getting into multi-page arguments? It's almost as if he's compensating for his microscopic e-peen

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What the hell are you talking about you crooked chalkboard? You know you have a real fetish for being insanely annoying.

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Many times, the production company cannot get the licensing/copyright to just air the original. And if that original did good, of course, they'll want to remake it. It's called business either way. And don't lay it all on the American viewers. There's a lot of programming that comes from England/ITV that again we cannot get the rights to. It's frustrating for many of us viewers, because we end up have to purchase this programming elsewhere. Our PBS alone, can only obtain certain programs within a decent amount of time(ie Downton Abbey). Other programs, they say they have to wait a number of years due to costs.

I will say that there are several remakes that went on to become more famous/better than the original(An Affair to Remember w/Cary Grant more well known than it's predecessor-I mention this because they just aired it).

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Not problem for you, but with all the straight up remakes, prequels, and out and out copying from Hollywood, fraud comes to mind.

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I replied to you a month ago. What took you so long to get back to me?

Anyway, at this point when just about every single idea has been done to death for the past seventy years since TV shows started, it's reasonable to remake things now. They doubt they copied every little thing of the original. I've seen lots of American adaptions of foreign shows and movies done excellently and I wish you could give them a chance.

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As a American I will not watch carbon copies of Nordic, UK, or shows made down under from Australia or New Zealand, I want to see the original filmmakers vision of the show (always better and more interesting) not some unoriginal Hollywood hack job. Also most of the filming locations are priceless.

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You are a fool. There is nothing wrong with "carbon copies" of things and originals are not always better so you need to be slapped out of that mindset. A lot of adaptions Americans have made have been better because we just know how to make things interesting. Now shut up or deport yourself from this country. You make me sick.

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wow, way to keep it civil.



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so don't watch! problem solved!


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so don't watch! problem solved!


suzycreamcheese RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008

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