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Why angered at Cochise's alleged killer?


This guy, Francise, or whatever his name, went in and told Rodie that he shot Cochise in self-defense and put him in a barrel and dumped it. Rodie is furious with the guy because he wasn't prosecuted and imprisoned. Shouldn't he be furious with the prosecutors and the laws that say there isn't enough proof he did it? Was the guy supposed to put himself in prison somehow?

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Yes, he should be furious at the limp, useless prosecutor who refuses to charge an admitted murderer simply because there is no body. It is possible in some instances (and having a confession is probably one of those) to prove a person is dead, and that they died by an unnatural cause. But it's also permissible for a cop to be angry at a suspect (though he can't act on it, of course). Rodie and he have history; supposedly Francise had been threatening to kill Rodie, though the telephone call with the lady witness telling Rodie that sure seems fake. It's probably a reenactment. When Rodie asked her if Francise ever planned to kill anybody else, she answered, "Yes, he has said he is going to kill..." then she put in that pause before she said, "...you!" Bad acting, bad film-making.

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To gain convictions in this country, our legal system requires a little something called evidence. In order to convict someone for murder, you need to be able to prove that someone was in fact murdered. And the only way to do that is to find the body...or what remains if it.

A confession without proof is no more believable than an accusation without proof. Legal system got that 100% right by not charging him back then.

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I know that, and I agree with your post. I'm just pointing out Rodie's ridiculous chest-pounding about how Francise has gotten away with it, when Francise confessed to it and probably figured he would be arrested and tried for the crime. When he was let go, it wasn't Francise's doing, it was the law's.

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He's mad at him because not only has he gotten away with murder to this point, but he's been incredibly brazen about it.

His anger is directed right where it needs to be. It's one of the few things this show has gotten right so far.

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Brew-Swine -- You're a blithering idiot who can only understand simple concepts. It is possible to charge somebody and prove murder without a body, though it's not easy. You can prove it with other evidence, with corroborating evidence; it depends on what's called the "totality of the circumstances". But since you're too stupid to understand such complexities I won't go into it here. Go back to flipping burgers, there's no future for you in the legal system... except as a defendant.

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There are many, many people in prison for murder without a body. All they need to do is have enough evidence that a person was more than likely responsible for another person's death. If they find evidence of blood at the suspect's house, and they can link their actions and have enough circumstantial "evidence" that the victim is dead and the suspect was responsible, etc..

I just watched a show the other day were the family was pleading with the man to lead them to the body and he was serving life without parole. He wasn't budging, however.

I think some people mistakenly believe if they get rid of the body they'll be in the clear...

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Well, disposing of the body certainly helps but that idiot Tommy Francise couldn't keep his fat, stupid mouth shut. And he didn't get rid of the body as permanently as he thought. What an idiot.

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Do me a favor and list all of the other evidence and corroborating evidence that was available and known about by investigators 25 years ago that would undoubtedly have lead to a murder conviction without the presence of an actual body.

Troll along, simpleton. Troll along.

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It seems to me all of you are forgetting Cochise's murder happened over 25 years ago, when it was NOT common for killers to be prosecuted without a body. DNA evidence was in it's infancy, and remember, you only get "one kick at the can"... if you go to trial with insufficient evidence, witnesses, etc and LOSE - the D.A. is screwed....you have heard of Double Jeopardy haven't you?





Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot - than to open it and remove all doubt!

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