We should be able to talk about gun violence, regardless of politics.

You have facts concerning the Isla Vista (college, Santa Barbara) wrong. Elliot Rodger killed 3 people with a knife, 3 with a firearm. 14 people total were injured, 7 by his vehicle.

I really feel for the victims of these shootings, any shooting of innocent people, but actual mass shootings (4 or more dead, not the leftist definition of "two or more shot") are incredibly rare. Only 4 in 2015. The BS list where they claim there are one a day is full of unverified reports including gang violence, and even a story of a shotgun that went off and injured 3 people far away. Two didn't even need medical care, one had minor injuries. That's the kind of thing they stretch to get their "one a day" statistic so they can scare the people who don't know any better.

Considering there are around 100 to 150 million gun owners in the USA, and the fact that there are usually around 12,000 gun murders a year, that means on the average year, less than one hundredth of ONE percent of gun owners will kill someone. Imagine what percentage of that tiny chunk are your average guy who likes to go to the range and owns a gun just to protect their family? Statistically insignificant.. Most of these murders are inner city violence, and a large chunk are committed by people who illegally possess their gun.

That's an insanely tiny fraction of one percent here... Yet guns and gun owners are blamed and the left tries to convince the sheeple that there is some huge gun violence epidemic in this country. There IS in places like Chicago, Baltimore, etc where they already have all the draconian gun laws, but they don't stop anything because they only impact the law abiding.

There are thousands of gun laws already. Most of the stuff the left blurts out is false or twisted. The courts constantly allow violent criminals to plea down and get gun charges dropped, even though each gun law violation could add up to 5 years to the sentence. Why don't they throw the book at any and all violent criminals who break a gun law?

No, they would rather throw more useless laws out to restrict and infringe on the average Joe gun owner who will never harm a person in his life.

It's just ridiculous, and if the supreme court goes left in the next year, we will see the anti gunners get their wish one chunk at a time. When the Obamabots keep saying "they aren't trying to take your guns away, blah blah" it's just ridiculous. The only reason they haven't, is because of the Heller decision and these laws getting voted down by congress and the senate.

The left has introduced bills every year for the last decade called the "assault weapons ban" This isn't just about AK47's and AR15's, if you read the bill it would ban over 3/4 of the guns on the market today. Anything with a detachable magazine over 10 rounds. How is that NOT trying to take guns away? That bill would ban most of them, just because of magazine capacity and cosmetic features that Feinstein think look "scary"

There's nothing hypothetical about people's rights. Period. That isn't changed by your personal willingness to allow your own rights to be infringed based on where you choose to live.

So you feel the same way about warrants? Right to freedom of speech? that they ought to vary? That in Baltimore police should just be able to come into your home and search it easier than New Hampshire because Baltimore it has 50 times the violent crime rate?? US Places with more crime should be able to forgo jury trials??

Your claim the ACLU is extreme and pandering for fighting against that is simply untrue.

Here is the thing: The gun control advocates pushed for and placed into effect TOTAL BANs. That is no theoretical slippery lsope but a proven slipperly slope to total revocation of a right. Every gun control group supported those bans and that is not ancient history but a fight that took place just eight years ago.

When you hear gun control adovocates saying "no one has ever been talking about bans" they are lying throught their teeth, they were all fighting to preserve the total ban in DC for example just eight years ago.

Imaginie it is 2007. imagine your dad's revolver was 100% legal, that he died and willed it to you living in DC. Befor ethe NRA and others started fighting back, you could not have it under any circumstances. With full fingerpint background check, training, a $1,000 safe at home you were 100% forbidden.

I suggest you look at the written transcript of the CNN Obama "town Hall on gun violence." CNN's Anderson Cooper, hardly right wing or pro bill of rights on firearms, asked Obama about his support and promotion, in Copper's words "over and over" of Australia's system. The centerpiece of that was total mass confiscation of all semi auto rifles and handguns. That means mass confiscation of fireaarms owned by over 75% of US gun owners. and only allowing firearms whose basic design is over 100 years old. Look at the transcript, Cooper asked him twice about confiscation and twice Obama refused to denounce the confiscation scheme