MovieChat Forums > Hunting Hitler (2015) Discussion > Americans who want to take credit!

Americans who want to take credit!


«Hunting Hitler» is entertaining, thats all, and it seems like the Americans want to take credit for both winning the second world war, and pretend Hitlers remainings never was found by the russians during the world war. The series ends in Colombia, where the retired FBI-agent just says out of the blue, that Hitler was flying in (3 years after he died sic and disturbed) in Bogota, to plan an atomic bomb-attack on the US! Its just a series with old med from a country with everybody sleeping with a gun under they pillow – But entertaining, and no doubt that other Nazis did escape from Germany to Argentina - that we know and have been known for the last 60-70 years.

reply

Do you really believe that all Americans own guns...and sleep with them?

You must be the one who is deluded.

reply

[deleted]

America did not win the war on our own. The Soviets bore the major brunt of inflicting casualties on the German military (while the U.S. and the UK did the most damage on the German economy / infrastructure - with the constant bombing raids) and overran the most German occupied territory. There is no doubt that the Soviets did a huge part to win the war. HOWEVER, even then, the U.S. did help the soviets out quite a bit by providing food stuff, ammunition, weapons, tanks, planes, jeeps and trucks during the lend-lease era. Without us aid provided to the Soviet Union during the war, especially during 1941-1942 it is possible that the war in the East would have at the very least dragged on a lot longer. The Sherman tanks that were provided were considered iron coffins by the Soviets. However, the U.S. providing the soviets with armor when their industrial centers were being overrun did help turn the tide. Not to mention later in the war, when the Red Army was becoming increasingly mechanized, almost all of the mechanized infantry and guards units were zipping their way throughout Germany while riding in U.S. made Willys Jeeps or Studebaker Trucks. So the U.S. certainly played a major / key factor in winning World War Two.

reply

FACTS;if the U.S. had not entered WWII Hitler's German would have eventually beaten the unsupplied Britain. As for the Russian scum (earlier in the war Axis partners of Germany in conquering Poland) they also would have been defeated without massive U.S. aid. Europe today would now be totally under German rule if the U.S. had not taken the war over whether you want to admit it or not.

reply

Well we cannot say whether or not that Europe would still be under the rule of the Third Reich to this present day. However, without U.S. involvement the outcome of the war would have been different. As I previously mentioned, lend-lease helped save both the Soviet Union and the U.K.. Then the U.S.'s military involvement in the war was crucial. However, if say the U.S. remained neutral and was not sending aid to the UK and USSR, then at the very least the war would have been prolonged for a while. Now hypothetically what might have happened if the U.S. did not get involved in the war:

The Third Reich may have come to a separate peace with the British, but the war may have still waged on the Eastern Front. The war in the east was decided in favor of the Soviets long before D-Day. So if we assume that the Soviets continued on their forward momentum, but there was a separate peace in the west (no way the U.K. could have liberated France and the rest of Western Europe on their own), then history would be vastly different. Assuming the Soviets continued their drive westward towards Germany, but without fighting in France (and possibly Italy and North Africa) that would have freed-up several German corps' and armies that could have been used on the Eastern Front. This could have changed the tied of the war in favor of Germany. Imagine if Rommel fought on the Russian Front? Also, a lack of carpet bombing over Germany's cities and industrial areas would mean that Germany could have produced more tanks, more munitions, more goods etc... without the hindrance on their infrastructure that the RAF and USAAF wrought on Germany. So yes it is possible Europe would be under control of the Third Reich... or perhaps the Soviets still manged to drive the Germans back, and continued pushing into Central Europe - but decided to continue westward. Theoretically it is possible that Europe would have ended up under complete Soviet control and akin to something like the wars and history of George Orwell's book 1984.

reply

[deleted]

Good posts Will and dubchi. I will take slight issue with something you wrote Will. The lend-lease to Russia really didn't kick in to an active degree until well into 42'. While it had been underway months earlier, very little was actually being shipped. Much of what was targeted for Russia ended up being diverted to the Brits due to the remaining political unease of assisting the communists. FDR expressed much frustration during this period and Stalin's paranoia ran rampant as he felt the US was treacherously leaving the USSR to fend for itself. I think the supplies, nevertheless, made the first huge contribution in the counteroffensive near Stalingrad. Other than that, totally agree with you guys.

reply

Unsupplied Britain? Thank you for ignoring the efforts of the Canadian Merchant Mariners who shipped millions of tons of materiel to the UK while dying by the thousands in the frigid waters of the Atlantic as their largely undefended convoys were torpedoed by German Wolf Packs.

reply