Is this another political agenda piece or is it honest old good storytelling? - Lost in Space (2018) Discussion

It only is if you think it is

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May as well Save yourself the trouble. Yes there are strong female characters in this. John is military man and Maureen is an engineer. Judy is a medical doctor and a child from another marriage. Don is a smuggler. So if you don't like strong Female characters like Rey you won't like this. There is a female villian....so there is that going for you....lol

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Actually, Rey is not a strong character. She is just a ridiculously overpowered character (you know, the mary sue stuff). And being overpowered is not what makes a character strong.

Strong characters are NOT characters without flaws, but characters that are able to overcome their flaws, to deal with their weaknesses and to become better. If you start being perfect, there's no journey and the character has no depth, which is a big problem with Rey: she doesn't feel real, she feels like a puppet for some fantasy of power.

(Whatever, the Rey problem has been widely debated and it's old stuff. Thank you for your answer. The fact that you defend the series is insightful. Negative (for the series), but insightful in its own way)

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[–] Galactus03 (4287) 6 years ago

My defense of the series should in no way be insightly negative for you. From your post I can pretty much tell you won't like it. It's not for everyone. It's a scif family drama and every episode doesn't end with a shocking death or revelation. I have watched Shows like Mad Men, Halt and Catch Fire, House of Cards, Walking Dead, Game Of Thrones, Breaking Bad,Better Call Saul, all the Star Treks etc. My taste is all over the map.
This show is lighter fare. It's a bit refreshing that it's doing what other scifi fantasy shows are doing nowadays. With the constant death , shocking endings. It's is a bit more adult and serious than the original Lost in Space. There are two main camps that really hate this show. One are fans of the original that hate it silly reasons. For example the Jupiter 2 doesn't look like TOS Jupiter 2 and there's not a beer keg shaped family Robot. Than there is the camp that wanted a show more in line with the tone of darker shows like House of Cards, Games of Thrones etc.

There are other reasons of course someone may not like it but the two I mentioned are personal taste reasons. Of course yours is another popular reason.

But yeah the female leads are heroic and strong (based on your reasoning, you won't like the 18 year old Judy who is a medical Doctor) Dont bother stay away from this show.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Actually your taste is not "all over the map" but quite limited. It's just US series and movies.

I can say, for example, that 50% of what I have watched this year is Asian (mainly chinese, korean or japanese). From the rest, I watch series or movies from US, of course, but as well from UK, Danmark, Australia, Spain, Scandinavia and other countries or areas. And from those US movies or series I watch, 50% was made before the 90s.

That's "all over the map", dude.

Indeed, I'm watching less and less US shows, since they look more and more similar. It's logical though, it's the trend with with religious movies: the more religious, the more they look like clones. Since this modern political agenda is becoming the new western world religion, and we're living in an age of religious zealotry, it was predictable (sad, but predictable) that this would happen.

I find it interesting, though, that those new believers still consider themselves as open-minded, diverse and with wide-ranging tastes, while the characters and stories in this modern political-religious cinema follows a few repetitive patterns and have no depth. Odd, really odd.

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[–] Galactus03 (4287) 6 years ago

I was talking different genres not orgin of production. I also watch a ton of British and Canadian shows.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

This is like a Russian guy saying "It's not true that I only watch Russian shows. I watch Ukrainian ones too"

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[–] Galactus03 (4287) 6 years ago

Again. I was not talking where the shows were produced.🙄🙄🙄🙄

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Aha. So "Canadian shows" you didn't mean Canadian shows. And with "British shows" you didn't mean British shows. Now it all makes perfect sense. ^_^

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

You only see Rey as perfect because you ignore her flaws in order to bash her.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Fine. Be my guest. Tell me what were those flaws.

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[–] FilmBuff (6672) 6 years ago

The fact that you're parroting the tired, "Rey is a Mary Sue" nonsense leads me to believe that you won't listen or understand if he does.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

As you wish

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[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 6 years ago

The fact that you're unwilling to share a single example in favor of just pretending they won't listen at all, leads me to believe that you don't have those examples in the first place.

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[–] Quint (935) 6 years ago

Rey is a dumb character for dumb viewers.

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[–] zeesha (1753) 6 years ago

I think even the crew are not all-white, but still pretty white. Don't need to whine about "black" Judy, because her white parents rise her quite well(white). If someone need to find some discriminations against other races in this show to satisfy their white supremacist male's feelings, then there is the "ugly-stupid-weak-black" woman who tried to gun down the robot；there is the "Mexican" smuggler, Don West, who want to make fortune out of other's crisis；there is the domineering wife, Maureen, whois husband actively applied for tasks to stay away from the family; And of course, there is the lying crooked "Dr. Smith". Not enough?

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Actually, this is not a positive thing. This "diversity" trend is indeed very repetitive, since all characters behave mostly as Californian middle class whites males, even female ones, thus the expression "male with boobs".

(Well, all characters behave as californian middle class white males... with the exception of middle class white males, that behave like sociopaths XDDD )

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One little detail: the "Mexican" smuggler is actually Argentinian. Perhaps you think they're the same, but Mexico and Argentina are worlds apart.

And actually, all those things about "satisfy their white supremacist male's feelings" are more oriented towards SJWs, which see themselves as some kind of superior white class that will take care of all inferior races in the word and protect them from the evil-white-nazis. Common people are just tired of that dance of the race.

What I miss is movies or series that can tell apart between Mexico and Argentina, instead of mixing them up because they will make the characters behave as middle class Californians and can't tell the difference. Movies or series where black people feel like real black people (like it happens in black movies), not like middle class white Californians, where asian people feel like real Asian people (like it happens in Chinese or Korean or Japanese movies), not like middle class white Californian, where Mexican or Argentinian people feel like real Mexican or Argentinian people (like it happens in Mexican or Argentinian movies), not like middle class white Californian. By the way, this is how real Argentinian people feel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0prcZYAegY. I know quite a few of them, so I can tell you.

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[–] zeesha (1753) 6 years ago

Bravo! You found out the little detail about Ignacio who played the smuggler. How did you figure that out? Perhaps from his appearance, or from his Spanish accent, can you?
Should Mexican audience feel better now since you cleared up that the discrimination is against Argentinian? Really? You think Mexican people are too dumb to understand this little discrimination trick, don't you?
The TV show is just a sci-fi soap opera. It is you who started this "dance of the race" comment. And then continue your hatred towards diversity, towards Californian middle class white males and towards transgender male with boobs. Now you are hoping common people get tired and stop resisting. In case you didn't realize, your last paragraph sounds like a decorated version of "people should know their place and their class". I wish you are a better human being than this.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Holy shit.

So watching, let's say, a series about Vikings with the racial demographics of modern California, with every Viking behaving like modern Californian white middle class, and the same with Middle Ages, and the same with Italian Renaissance, and the same with Scifi... that's Love of Diversity. But hey, if you'd rather watch a Chinese or Korean movie because Chinese and Korean people there feel real Chinese or Korean people, then that's "Hatred towards Diversity".

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.

And then you can't tell apart between Mexicans and Argentinians, and you ask me how can I tell...

HOW?

Because they're f_cking different. That's how.

You're a f_cking lover of diversity who just can't tell apart between people from different countries. Are you f_cking kidding me?

Damn, this SJW stuff is a f_cking religion. It makes no sense. It makes no sense at all. How can you debate with people like that? It's like debating with religious fanatics... reason is useless.

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[–] zeesha (1753) 6 years ago

Reason is useless to you? How about facts? Remember Diego Alcazar from the "General Hospital"? That is the first character played by Ignacio in his acting career. And here is the link of "Fictional American people of Mexican descent" on the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_American_people_of_Mexican_descent
The trick of discrimination is making oblique accusations. You don't bring a Mexican actor to insult Mexican, instead you bring someone whom people remember as a Mexican.
While you are shiting, f_cking and damning in your response, I still hope you could find some human decency in you.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

So you're using as a "fact" to count Serricchio as Mexican that one character he played was of Mexican descent IN FICTION. The character, I repeat, the CHARACTER was of Mexican descent IN FICTION. And that makes Serricchio Mexican?

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.

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[–] zeesha (1753) 6 years ago

The fact is that the audience recognized him as "Diego Alcazar". That's how he got famous. Most of the audience don't care that much about where the actor was born or where he went to high school. Capisce?

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Aha.

So you belong to that part of the audience that can't tell apart between Mexicans and Argentinians (or it seems that any other country, for what matters), and you don't even care about it, as you say, but you still preach for the Church of Love and Diversity in People.

It's like a dude that can't tell apart between Bach, The Beatles and John Coltrane, who doesn't give a shit about it, preaching for the Church of Love and Diversity in Music.

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.

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[–] TandyMan (10334) 6 years ago

I didn't notice any overt political agenda or commentary, but I wasn't looking for it. I thought for sure they'd get into environmental politics but I think they just shrugged that off with talk of a meteor or something. It was brief.

But this is very much a Yay Women! production. The wife is the lead character and plays the dominate alpha role while the husband plays the submissive role, and even shoulders the traditionally feminine emotional burdens of the relationship. He's not full blown cuck but it's in the ballpark. The problem is, i'm fine with that if not a fan, whatever. But they didn't stick to that dynamic. It flip flopped all over the place with his sometimes being a good little solider and sometimes playing the aggressor. Their heart was in the right place but ultimately the writers didn't have a firm grasp on how to develop his character. Where as the one dimensional cock sure West came across with ease. But again, he was constantly put in his place by Judy. So if you can't stomach that Yes, Dear sort of thing, you're gonna hate this. It's taken to the extreme by making Smith a woman who controls and manipulates Will, mirroring the ways in which feminism has changed the way males are raised in modern society.

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[–] jriley555 (7048) 6 years ago

"But this is very much a Yay Women! production. The wife is the lead character and plays the dominate alpha role while the husband plays the submissive role, and even shoulders the traditionally feminine emotional burdens of the relationship. He's not full blown cuck but it's in the ballpark. "

they hit you on the head with this right out of the box. its a bummer, because i like sciFi. personally, i found it so stupid & heavy-handed that the irritation outwieghed the entertainment, so i gave it up.

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[–] pbt (108) 6 years ago

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[–] hnow (27) 6 years ago

If you liked the "Joey" version of Don West then you might like this one. They have a lot in common. A lot of this reboot is borrowed from the '98 movie.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

First good thing I heard about this series. I like the old series too, but the movie has some kind of 80s spirit that makes it cute. Anyway, either the old series or the movie are good models.

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 6 years ago

I watched the first three episodes, the robot is good and visuals are great but everything else is meh, it’s written to appease new-wave feminism, mom knows best, white men are useless etc.

Lacklustre rubbish like this only makes its money from nostalgia which is why it injects its agenda into well-known titles such as Lost In Space, Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who, rather than create new titles cause they know no one would watch their crap.

I miss the days when Sci-Fi was about story rather than box ticking agendas!

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[–] FifthFreedom (196) 6 years ago

From what I can tell, no TV show or movie in history has ever been free from social/political propaganda. Makes sense, since if you do the research into the history of the industry and the technology itself, it was all created for the express purpose of pushing propaganda and shaping ideologies.

It was mind control from its very inception... not that you can't be entertained by it. They DO try to make it entertaining... because it's all pointless if people don't want to watch it.

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