Avery Writes Letter Wanting Buting and Strang Disbarred - Making a Murderer (2015) Discussion

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

i just saw that! unbelievable.

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[–] JeffS90092 8 years ago

It's kind of comical and sad at the same time.

I wonder how truthers will respond to this. Which status will they assign Strang and Buting? Are they heroes who valiantly fought an uphill battle for justice or are they incompetent slobs who failed in their duties as lawyers?

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

I wonder how truthers will respond to this. Which status will they assign Strang and Buting? Are they heroes who valiantly fought an uphill battle for justice or are they incompetent slobs who failed in their duties as lawyers?

my bet is the latter.

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[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

Actually interesting, thanks jeff. I do think they did the best they could - but clearly over their heads with the funds available for his defense. A richer man would have got off - see oj.

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[–] JeffS90092 8 years ago

I think they did an okay job, given that they had a tough position to support. I agree with Steven that it was a failure on their part to not test the blood for EDTA. That was really the only solid evidence they could have presented to support that he was framed. Everything else was just speculation. If they had found EDTA in that blood, Steven Avery might be a free man.

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[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

I think they did okay as well, simply because they had so little to work with. They had to manufacture a conspiracy defense out of whole cloth. It was a clear hail Mary pass attempt, but the game was virtually over and the only way they could win was to score a last-second touchdown.

Unfortunately, they had a really, really bad person as a client. I'm sure that the more time went on, the more "oh crap, we're defending as massive creep" they became. Obviously they'd never admit to that publicly, but behind closed doors I'm sure they were pooping their pants.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

Well, it's not like he has much else to do from where he's sitting, so he might as well.

Side-note: wasn't Teresa 30 or 31? They say 25 in the article.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

no, she was 25.

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[–] xXenomicXx 8 years ago

Wasn't it Avery's suggestion the police framed him? That was what Strang/Buting went with and still didn't create reasonable doubt. I can't wait till his case is tossed out and we read, "Steven Avery hangs himself after ruling!"

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[–] JeffS90092 8 years ago

Wasn't it Avery's suggestion the police framed him? That was what Strang/Buting went with and still didn't create reasonable doubt. I can't wait till his case is tossed out and we read, "Steven Avery hangs himself after ruling!"

Yup! He backed his own defense team into a corner. They were left trying to argue an almost impossible position, one that was extremely unlikely and that, on top of which, had zero evidence supporting it.

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[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

I can't wait till his case is tossed out and we read, "Steven Avery hangs himself after ruling!"

He threatened that, multiple times, during the original trial. Yet he's still alive. Maybe if he was a 25-year-old woman he'd be able to go through with it.

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[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

Wow.
Big call from the little man.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

Here's better close-ups of his letter: http://imgur.com/a/R63zD

I'm sort-of surprised at some of the mistakes he makes with both grammar and spelling, especially as he's supposedly been busy reading up on law books? It doesn't look like the letter is a first draft either.

It really makes me wonder if something has happened within the past week or so.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

i'm not surprised. he's only semi-literate, not educated -- different from being stupid, which i don't think. it would be weird if letter were suddenly grammatically correct. i'd think someone else wrote it 4 him.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

Zellner & CO did not know apparently:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/comments/4v2enl/lettergate_kz_didnt_know/

Oh, Stevie BoobooBear, what did you get yourself into?

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[–] JeffS90092 8 years ago

I find it kind of interesting that Mr. Booboobear is claiming basically only the arguments that 'sleuthers' on reddit have come up with. If I were truly innocent and I had 10 years to think about it, I'd find all sorts of new reasons to suggest I was innocent or pose a reasonable alternative theory as to who did it. Though I guess you could argue he's an idiot so he's incapable of that.

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[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

If I were truly innocent and I had 10 years to think about it, I'd find all sorts of new reasons to suggest I was innocent or pose a reasonable alternative theory as to who did it. Though I guess you could argue he's an idiot so he's incapable of that.

Exactly. If I were wrongly imprisoned I'd have come up with as many "wait, it couldn't have been me because..." points as I could muster. As many minor little things I could think of that would somehow make it clear that I wasn't able to commit the crime. In Avery's case, however, there just aren't any IMO because he did it.

While Avery is not intelligent or educated, he is devious and clever. The latter two do not depend on the former. Having all is even better for a criminal, but the latter two are sufficient.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

thanks for the news update. i'm relieved kz didn't know anything about it.

he's shot himself in the foot. again.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

he's shot himself in the foot. again.

It does sound like it and makes me wonder if Zellners case is indeed that he had incompetent lawyers angle, as it sounds like this "hurt his case" per one of his "girlfriends" / pen pals? This is a weak angle if so. He needs either an alibi, or at least show that Teresa properly left his lot.

It's starting to sound very odd. I'm not sure what to make of this mess.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

i'm certain that's part of her angle; it's pretty standard. agree his letter sounds like they've recently been discussing it and he's been on a slow boil that now's boiled over.

i want to know what else she's got.

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[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

Realistically if avery had a million he could have got himself better defense. I think buting and strang did what they could with the available resources. More money means more investigators, more tests, more specialists that his defense could have hired.

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[–] paranoja 8 years ago

True, look at Robert Durst, or OJ Simpson.

Money does matter, doesn't mean they did a bad job though.

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[–] rzaxlash 7 years ago

I thought Strang and Buting did a very strong job. They also came off as genuinely good people, which defense lawyer in high profile cases often have difficulty with.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

someone on reddit posted this about sa's letter:

That's what you get, Dean and Jerry, when you are the frog and you give a scorpion a ride on your back

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yep.

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