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What gives him alway

posted 8 years ago by travgsx
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So I think he did it. Now what I find it extremely odd in this whole situation with Steven is how he is completely emotionless. He shows no form of emotions whatsoever in the court room especially after the verdict. I think for the most part they have it wrong of how it went down. They may have some things right but I think they're off I think Steven put all that stuff around the RAV4 because he is kind of an idiot. And I think Brandon is just basically in the wrong place at the wrong time he seen what he seen but because he so slow he didn't really comprehend what was going on and till after the fact The miss management of the investigation hands-down took place because they're in hillbilly land. Investigations of that caliber were beyond the scope of that Police Department because there any hillbilly land. Things are different out there than they are let's say in a major city or let's say in the real world or you could say that is the real world. I also think Steven is smarter than what people give him credit for he knew exactly what he was doing. There's just something off about that whole family and I really can't pinpoint what it is there something there

[–] doggie_rodriguez 8 years ago

Maybe he's "weird" b/c he spent a lot of time in prison for something he didn't do previous to all of this?

Might be hard to get a read on someone like that. Meaning, maybe they don't act how "normal" people would act in that same situation.

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

Maybe he's "weird" b/c he spent a lot of time in prison for something he didn't do previous to all of this?

i'm certain that didn't help matters, but, he's also the guy who at 20 tortured the family cat by soaking it in gasoline and watching it burn to death. for … fun?

and got up early in a.m. so he could run his own cousin off road, and try to abduct her at gunpoint.

these r serious signs that something was very wrong with him, before wrongfully spending 12 years of his life in prison.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 8 years ago

i'm certain that didn't help matters, but, he's also the guy who at 20 tortured the family cat by soaking it in gasoline and watching it burn to death. for … fun?

And Kratz is a drug addicted pervert........so?

If you want to bring up Avery's past then you have to accept the pervert drug addict DA's past as well.

[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

If you want to bring up Avery's past then you have to accept the pervert drug addict DA's past as well.

Was Kratz on trial for murdering Teresa Halbach? If so, then his past would be relevant.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 8 years ago

He was part of the trial. A very important part actually.

So if he's capable of abusing his powers outside of the courtroom he sure as Hell is capable of doing it inside.

[–] xXenomicXx 8 years ago

Kratz sexting scandal was after the trail, so no its not relevant. There is no evidence he was a perv before that. Avery past is relevant before it happened before the murder of Teresa, and there is evidence. See the difference??

[–] Moonlighty 8 years ago

Plus while sexting a plaintiff is not great, let's not act like that's similar to torturing an animal. Sexting if it's welcome is acceptable and perfectly healthy. There's no way to slice lighting an animal on fire as "well it's okay if..." even if a prosecutor had done something terrible, what would that even have to do with the case? Previous violence or acts of a sociopath are very relevant in another case of an act of a sociopath.

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[–] catbookss 8 years ago

whut? that was a sharp left turn off the map. let's recap.

op posts thread about sa's behavior. u and a few others post opinions about, not surprisingly, sa's behavior. you propose his behavior was a consequence of sa's past:

Maybe he's "weird" b/c he spent a lot of time in prison for something he didn't do previous to all of this?

i respond:

i'm certain that didn't help matters, but, he's also the guy who at 20 tortured the family cat by soaking it in gasoline and watching it burn to death. for … fun?

and got up early in a.m. so he could run his own cousin off road, and try to abduct her at gunpoint.

these r serious signs that something was very wrong with him, before wrongfully spending 12 years of his life in prison.

just pointing out that sa had obvious serious behavior issues before he ever went into prison, and providing 2 examples. both he admitted guilt 4, tried, convicted, sentenced 4. he was serving 6 out of those 18 years 4 second crime.

and your response to that is

And Kratz is a drug addicted pervert........so?

If you want to bring up Avery's past then you have to accept the pervert drug addict DA's past as well.

???

1. thread is about sa and his behavior; your response would've made complete sense if had been about kk and his behavior, otherwise, wth?
2. you first brought up sa's past; i merely responded 2 that.
3. i don't and never have liked kk, have said so many times, and have no prob. accepting his past.

now, can U accept sa's past and fact that he had clear severe issues even b4 he was wrongly imprisoned? if not, why not, if u really don't know if sa guilty or not. facts r facts.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 8 years ago

and your response to that is

I know what my response was. I'm the one that wrote it.

Sorry about your injury, but your posts are annoying to read at the moment. I feel like I'm getting lectured by a child.

Get well soon! 

[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

Sorry about your injury, but your posts are annoying to read at the moment. I feel like I'm getting lectured by a child

agreed.

[–] doggie_rodriguez 8 years ago

The sad thing is I like her.

A lot. I think she's great.

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

i like you a lot too, doggie, and thank you 4 that and the well wishes.

i can't help this is the only way i'm able to type now, and am thankful i can type at all. i guarantee you my having 2 deal w/taking care of my elderly parent, and pet, and myself, one-handed, being isolated and unable 2 drive even for groceries is far more of an annoyance than u reading my lower case, typo-ridden, text-speak posts.

too bad you felt you needed 2 edit and add that snarky last sentence.

why is this sad? do you feel i was being rude to you, disrespectful in some way? i wasn't. i truly did not and do not understand your response -- it was out of the blue to me, hence the recap. yeah, obviously i know what i said too, yet i quoted myself as well. i hoped for an equally honest reply, and don't understand why, if you truly don't know if sa is guilty or not, why you'd have any problem accepting his past, which was entirely relevant to your post, or i wouldn't have bothered 2 respond.

so what, exactly, is the problem?

[–] Ro-bust 8 years ago

Lol you allowed him to completely sidetrack you from the discussion, by changing the subject to your injury and making a snide remark about your writing style. Notice how he didn't answer the very straight forward question at hand (no pun intended).

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

Yep, I am and was well aware of it. What I wasn't aware of at the time, bc I had no reason to be, is that he then put me on ignore, lol! For this he thought he was justified in putting me on ignore, Sure, ok,

There was no way he was going to answer my question, regardless. Anyone w a few brain cells to rub together and isn't blinded by their position can see that.

[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

Hah. How hypocritical of you cat - but then you won't see this because you arbitrarily block people who disagree with you.

[–] Moonlighty 8 years ago

It's just good sense to ignore people you aren't interested in reading though.

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[–] mme3924-1 8 years ago

Always.

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

Always.

good to know what u mean by always being courteous and respectful to me, mme. well done. i love a woman of her word. or is it somehow different if you're not responding directly to me? a different set of rules.

but, of course, you don't mean this when i've agreed with u. then it's a different story. if i'm in agreement w/you, all is well, but only then. otherwise i, and others, are your enemy.

always, never, continually, these words don't indicate black and white, dichotomized thinking -- something you recently accused another poster of doing. or that someone couldn't deal with another -- no doubt you, and perhaps others -- having a different opinion. but these things you've recently said about others couldn't possibly describe you, could they? what a silly concept.

[–] xXenomicXx 8 years ago

Don't worry if you can't respond to the question like every other supporter. You're just like everyone else and use the following fallacy's for your rebuttal argument: false comparison, Ad hominem, straw man, beg the question, or flat out change the subject.

NICE JOB STICKING UP FOR AVERY!!!

Now can you answer the question?

[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

You want answers !? 2 words for you brah.

Stevenaverycase.org

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[–] Corpus_Vile 8 years ago

It's almost like he has no valid point to make and his arguments takes such sharp turns because he's nothing of substance to back up his position with and is arguing for poor railroaded Steve's innocence (which of course he'll deny as he just doesn't know!) simply cuz it feels right that Steve is innocent. After all a netflix dolco said so and let's face it The Shawshank Redemption was one kickass feelgood flick...

Hey, look at that! She's not crazy, she's being chased by a cheetah!

[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

Steven Avery reminds me very much of another killer that I had quite a bit of close contact with: Billy Ferry, Jr. I was working on a book about his case. His family had tried to get him mental health assistance for years before he went into a Winn Dixie grocery, approached the register lines, poured out gasoline and set it on fire, killing and severely injuring a lot of people.

Ferry and Avery are both low intelligence, clearly disturbed, have a similar flat affect, and are both rightfully convicted killers.

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[–] satan44 7 years ago

He threw the cat over a bonfire to scare it, for laughs, causing it to catch fire (landing in the bonfire?).

Not at all sympathetic but not exactly the same as dousing it with gasoline and lighting it on fire.

In other words, it´s the difference between doing something stupid and cruel and something downright sadistic. I´m pretty sure people who have done cruel things to animals far outweigh numbers of killers of human beings. I´ve been known to shoot small animals with an airgun for fun when I was a kid. Not something I´m proud of as a grown up, but not exactly the same as kidnapping, torture and murder...

[–] satan44 7 years ago

Just a little addendum: I see other mentioning dousing the cat in gasoline. I don't remember that particular part from the documentary, but if that is true, that does of course make Avery a bigger *beep* (at that time, people are allowed to change), but it still doesn't make him a murderer of human beings.

[–] xXenomicXx 8 years ago

That's why they chose the ambiguous title Making a Murderer. Because he spent 18 years in prison, and it made him a murderer.

[–] grolongo 8 years ago

What sort of emotions would you show? The guy was locked up for 18 years for something he didn't do and the same bs was about to happen again.

I would react the same way. I would tell everyone to go f themselves. Wouldn't help my case but I'm pretty sure that Steve knows that he's never getting out of that prison alive.

He even told his parents that he'd give "it" (I assume "IT" being 'life') 2 more weeks. For whatever reason he knew the gig was up. If he did it - he's fcked. If he didn't - he'd still be fcked. So what emotions are you really looking for?

[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

The difference is that in this case he's guilty a sin.

[–] grolongo 8 years ago

Just like he was in '84?

[–] paranoja 8 years ago

Why didn't he tell the police he was having a bonfire the night Teresa went missing?

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

Why didn't he tell the police he was having a bonfire the night Teresa went missing?

i;d love 2 hear a rational explanation thus. so far, i'll i've heard is crickets.

[–] catbookss 8 years ago

Still no answer to this, except "there was no fire that night," except for minor point that others remembered it, once bones were found and fire became relevant, and later both SA and BD admitted there was a bonfire that night, SA lying about it is, of course, of no consequence.

[–] satan44 7 years ago

Not 100% sure (it´s a ten hour documentary after all ;-)), but pretty sure, that he doesn´t deny having a bonfire that night.

[–] paranoja 7 years ago

Not 100% sure (it´s a ten hour documentary after all ;-)), but pretty sure, that he doesn´t deny having a bonfire that night.

He doesn't deny it when they confront him about it, however in his early police interviews he doesn't mention it. If I recall correctly when asked what he did that night he said he watched "girl-on-girl porn", only later does he (& Brendan) suddenly remember the bonfire when other people mention it...

[–] catbookss 7 years ago

He doesn't deny it when they confront him about it, however in his early police interviews he doesn't mention it. If I recall correctly when asked what he did that night he said he watched "girl-on-girl porn", only later does he (& Brendan) suddenly remember the bonfire when other people mention it…

Yes. It should have been his alibi, the fire and cleaning out the garage and surrounds with Brendan, but he never mentioned it until he was confronted. It was a hell of a better alibi than being by himself all night, talking to his girlfriend twice, and the rest of the time watching porn.

[–] FactUnderChecK 8 years ago

I love the title of this thread. 'Alway' gets me every time.

[–] misterbfd 8 years ago

I also chuckle at the thread title buof t mostly because I have to type one-handed with my non-dominant hand because I sit in a dialysis chair five hours a day. I make a LOT of typos because of that... And autocorrect screws with me a lot, too!

[–] satan44 7 years ago

Not that it really proves anything either way, but it is completely false that he doesn´t have a visible reaction to the verdict.