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This is what happened.

posted 7 years ago by jakenzz_7
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Title is total bait. This is what I THINK happened.

As Teresa was leaving his property, she sits in the drivers seat of her RAV4, Steven begins to assault her. He opens up her door and attacks her. They exchange blows and she attempts to escape by crawling through the back of the vehicle. He intercepts her and strikes her until she's borderline unconscious (hence her blood in the back). He then pulls her out and rapes her in his lawn (hence no true DNA evidence in his trailer or garage). During the rape he (whether intentionally or unintentionally) kills her. Afterward he commences burning her body.

I also believe virtually all of the evidence the Manitowoc county had against him was illegitimate(i.e false, planted). I also do not definitively believe he committed the murder. However, after A LOT of contemplation and discussion between friends, this is the most logical and reasonable conclusion we have come up with.

I encourage and look forward to your debates..

[–] joseph-37788 7 years ago

Why wouldn't you have Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey as the killers of Teresa Halbach? Why would a guy who is about to get a $36 million dollar settlement kill a woman?

[–] jakenzz_7 7 years ago

Because I don't see any motive for them to commit the crime. Steven Avery has a motive insofar as he's been locked up in prison for 18 years and, after being subjected to the traumas of his sentence, finds himself alone on his property with a young, attractive woman. Like I said, it's possible his initial intention was just to rape her and then, in an outburst of rage and emotion, he murdered her.

[–] joseph-37788 7 years ago

People who know Scott Tadych describe him as a psychopath.

Steven Avery was about to get back a the law enforcement personnel who implicated and imprisoned him for a crime he did not commit by way of the lawsuit that would see him awarded $36 million dollars and would see most of them fired.

[–] berniegfletcher 7 years ago

ST was at his mother's bedside in Green Bay twice that day, once with SA's own sister. There is no evidence whatsoever linking either of these two to the murder. Bo. D. was sleeping when TH arrived. He does not even know her. He sees TH walking toward SA's trailer. Later he sees her car, but not her. He goes hunting, then goes to work. SA has no alibi, lies and says he was alone.

SA says that he went in to his trailer, came out to go to Bo. D's, saw TH's car turning left at Hwy. 147 and also saw Bo. D's car was gone. This is an obvious lie. Where did Bo. D's magic car go in the short time SA was in his trailer? There is only Avery Rd. in and out. Think about it. Think about why SA doesn't give BD as his alibi cleaning the garage and having a bonfire. Think about why SA says she was there between 2 and 2:30 (a lie). Think about SA using ^67 to phone at 2:25 and 2:35, but not at 4:35. What was SA doing for those two hours?

[–] mme3924-1 7 years ago

ST says....Bobby says....

yet only SA is the liar?

He may well be one. But you have no more reason to believe that Bobby didn't lie or ST didn't lie. They alibied each other. Bobby's behavior that day could be seen as suspicious. He goes deer hunting for less than an hour, comes home, doesn't eat, goes back to bed, gets up, doesn't eat, goes to work.

Now, do I think Bobby had anything to do with TH's death? No. But his behavior could be seen as peculiar. And ST was known as a liar, if you believe his coworkers. And violent with women.

Do I think ST killed TH? No. But he could be a suspect; he was in the area, on the property. He owned a .22. And his stories to LE changed.

I think both ST and Bobby Dassey lied to LE....or maybe for LE. Why? Only they know, but when leaned on, people do funny things, especially if they think they are either being threatened or that they are "helping".

The point is, you quite willingly take the word of others who have no verification of their stories but immediately tag SA as a liar.

[–] xXenomicXx 7 years ago

Why wouldn't you have Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey as the killers of Teresa Halbach? Why would a guy who is about to get a $36 million dollar settlement kill a woman?

Avery could have made an aggressive pass toward Teresa and she may have rejected him hard. Like he may have tried to kiss her and she smack him. He's about to be filthy rich and he's somewhat famous, his big head probably couldn't understand why she would reject him.
After smacking him he most likely became angry and a little scared she would run off and tell the police. Things escalated from there.

Just because you can't conceive of why someone becoming that rich would kill someone, doesn't mean they are innocent. Not everyone is of sound mind and Avery was far from being sound.
Money does some crazy things to a person. I've personally witnessed some crazy things with 20 years in the Army. Every single private that comes to their unit, the first thing they do is apply for their bonus. I've seen literally a thousand soldiers receive more money then they have ever seen in their lives. I've see them rent ferraris for $600 an hour, spend thousands to privately rent a strip club, rent hotel penthouse suites and trash it like rock stars, buy crotch rockets and ride wheelies right in front of cops...just some of the dumbest sh!t ever.

And it's no different when people are about to get money either. I've seen people receive letters from SSDI or VA compensation that they are approved 100%. They receive backpay for $40k-$50k and start acting like untouchable fools before the money comes in.
This is all from eye-witness personal experience!!

Hell if you don't believe me, just look at how stupid people act when they win on the Price is Right, or Wheel of Fortune. They win $30k+ and start jumping up and down crazy with excitement. Some run around stage like a maniac. Now take that level of excitement, and combine it with a sociopath/psychopath...and you'll have someone that will kill a woman before they get $36 million!

[–] mme3924-1 7 years ago

Oh, it's this kind of post that I will miss when this board goes away!

Comparing what people do who expect to come into money with contestants on a tv game show -- priceless stuff from one of my favorite posters...with whom I almost never agree. Does it never occur to you that they are told to act that crazy? To be that excited? It's tv, man!

We've had some tussles, Xeno, you and I, and as out of your tree as you sometimes seem, I've always....well, mostly always....enjoyed our debates. As I have in debating many others. Though not all; the ones who resorted to insults and name calling and lies -- I've forgotten I ever knew their names....cough cough, jeff, et al....

But, for the most part it's been a blast. Entertaining, educational, socially enjoyable, sometimes frustrating and maddening....and sometimes hurtful.

I feel like I know many of you, and some I will miss terribly -- you know who you are.

Good luck, everybody! Maybe we'll run into one another further down the river, as they say.

[–] xXenomicXx 7 years ago

You know mme, everything I've ever mentioned or suggested...you can go out and experiment for yourself. Instead you contested it just for the sake of argument. Why don't you go save $20k and give it to someone and see how crazy they act? Not reasonable for you?? Me either! Then I'm sure you know a few baby momma's bringing in 8k-10k during tax season right? Hell, work all year with 3-4 kids you're bringing in almost that much in earned income credit.

Better yet, I have a real experiment you can do...I personally did several years ago. I woke up on April 1, 2009 and went and bought a lotto ticket. Since it was a Wednesday, I bought my ticket using the same exact lotto numbers for the Tuesday night Mega Million drawing. I bought a paper too.

At around 8:00am, I had a friend go over to my other friends house and bring her the paper. Around 11:00am I showed up and hung out for a few hours. Out of the blue, I "remembered" to check my lotto ticket. I asked if anyone knew the lotto numbers for the night before. My friend said she had a paper and began to read it off. I played it off like she was lying to me because I "happen" to have the same numbers she was reading. She accused me of lying, I accused her, we compared the numbers, the numbers matched, we compared the date of the paper and the ticket...ALL MATCHED.
Then the moment hit when she realized I just won $150+ million dollars. She began crying, hugging me, congratulating me...and then I laid it on her. I asked her to sign the ticket and I would give it all to her. Her eyes widen and jaw dropped of course and she went hysterical. I gave her the ticket and she signed it. I told her I had to leave, shower, and get ready and I'd drive her to collect the winnings. I went home and waited.

It wasn't but a few hours later that people started calling me, texting me, messaging me, and telling me to tell her the truth. She had gone completely nuts and quit her job, cussed out everyone that she really hated, and showed her true colors. There were some other things I can't really mention, but it was a horrible ordeal and I had a lot of explaining to do. I thought a simple April Fools joke would be fun but I took it too far and things got out of hand fast.

The real argument here is people seem to take a defensive position that: all people who are about to receive million would never kill. My argument is simple because it doesn't deal with absolutes and it is more accurate to say: some people who are about to receive million would never kill, other still would. Honestly, there is no way you or anyone can defend an absolute argument...ever! They are flawed by nature!
Hell, I can tell you right now if I won or was awarded $36 million I would be in Thailand paying hookers to sword fight each other while riding elephants. Why? Cause I'm a total sociopath! I have no empathy, I have no remorse, I'm egocentric, win at all costs, and never apologize. So it seems to me reading all these boards this past year, none of you are sociopaths. None of you have killed anyone, none of you have been locked up, none of you have PTSD!
So when you see Avery, you paint him in this "cute cuddly teddy bear" persona and compare him to yourselves. Yeah!!! Of course he wouldn't kill anyone when you do that! What you need to be doing is compare to him a sociopath and "what would they do". Killing Teresa was just the beginning. I'm surprise he didn't start building an underground rape chamber immediately! I always joke with people and say, "God will never make me a millionaire because of the amount of sin/chaos I would create!"

And don't be fooled, Steven Avery is a sociopath!