Where did Colburn find the Halbach's Rav4 the first time he found it?
Where exactly did Deputy Colburn find Halbach's Rav4 the first time he found it?
shareSimple answer: AC never found the Rav and there is no evidence whatsoever that he did. MaM edited his testimony in such a distorted way that he answers a question that he is never asked. The call was routine police work. As AC explained he wanted to make sure he had the plate number and car info correct. How would he know it was a '99 Toyota unless AC already had been given that info?
Avery supporters would have you believe that AC found the Rav 4 in complete darkness within minutes of getting word of a missing person on the night of Nov. 3. Curiously it is apparently unbelievable that PS found this vehicle (that she was actively looking for) in less than 30 minutes in broad daylight.
Why would AC call in to confirm plates on a vehicle he is looking at (and plans to commit a felony) on a police dispatch line that any 12 year-old knows is RECORDED? That makes no sense. As AC testified on cross he was just checking to make sure info he received from a different agency was correct. Try writing down numbers while you are driving.
As for the poster who said Motorola radios were perfectly clear...is that why we all go around with radios on our shoulders? (sarcasm intended) To quote someone named BUTING...
"Sam Will Henry is a phonetic code that law enforcement officers use because sometimes it's hard to tell just a letter over radio"
So is Buting just making that up????? Other LE were using cell phones all that day, nothing unusual about that at all. Routine. Listen to the friendly tone of the actual call..."How's your Spanish Andy?" Does it sound like a conspiracy afoot?
Andrew Colburn did not know he was going to be helping to frame Steve Avery until Lt. Lenk talked to him after Colburn had found the Rav4 the first time.
shareSo AC finds the RAV in the dark within minutes, will be a big hero, but in that instant that he's calmly phoning and talking to dispatch on a recorded line AC decides NOT to tell dispatch that he has found the car because sometime in the future Lenk is going to ask him to be part of a conspiracy to frame someone even though neither one of them is being sued or had anything to do with the 85 arrest? Is that your story? Just wow.
shareHe called on his cell phone, not his radio. And the official response to that is that some officers knew those calls were recorded and some didn't. So not "every 12 year old" knew they were recorded, apparently. As for Lynn, the dispatcher, no one suggested she was a conspirator. As far as she was concerned, she was "running" a plate number. But why did AC ask her to "run" a plate instead of "Lynn, can you give me that missing person's license number again? I want to make sure I got it right." Especially since they were "chatting" and the conversation did not adhere to radio protocol.
AC's call may have been perfectly innocent. But I think it's odd enough that the questions about it are not outrageous. And if you read his testimony, he is played the recording and asked the questions and he says he doesn't know when he called or why but he assumes it was to verify the number. Peculiarly enough, a year later his memory improved and he knows exactly why he called.
Why are Colburn and Lenk even interested in framing Avery?
I have yet to hear a reasonable response to this question.
Avery supporters start with the assumption that he is innocent, then work backwards. If he is innocent, then he must have been be framed. If he was framed, police must have done it, if police did it, AC and JL must have been involved because they found some of the evidence and so on and so on... it's a house of cards that only makes sense to people who BELIEVE. It's emotion, not logic.
shareIt's emotion, not logic
It's pretty logical to think that MCSO, the DA and the former sheriff might want to not have to worry about a $36 million lawsuit.
Whether that had any bearing on this case or not remains unknown. But to say it's emotion, not logic, is to ignore a hefty motive.
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It's pretty logical to think that MCSO, the DA and the former sheriff might want to not have to worry about a $36 million lawsuit.
That's not logical at all. That's like saying its logical for me and some co-workers to murder someone and frame someone because they are suing the very rich company we work for.
But to say it's emotion, not logic, is to ignore a hefty motive.
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because they are suing the very rich company we work for.
They were being sued individually, along with Manitowoc County. They were defendants. That's quite different from just being employed by a company that's being sued.
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They were being sued individually, along with Manitowoc County. They were defendants.
No they werent. Colburn may have been a witness because he took a phone call... share
Maybe we are at cross purposes here.
Tom Kokourek, the sheriff in 1985, was a defendant in the civil suit filed by Steven Avery in 2004.
Dennis Vogel, the DA in 1985, was a defendant in the civil suit filed by Steven Avery in 2004.
The County of Manitowoc, Wisconsin, was a defendant in the civil suit filed by Steven Avery in 2004.
Andrew Colborn and Jim Lenk were deposed in that lawsuit. Neither were defendants. But Colborn said, on the stand, that he was "concerned" about it. Lenk did not admit to being concerned, as I recall.
It's possible that Colborn could have been added as a defendant to the suit because he took the phone call in 1995, didn't write a report about it until 2003. Jim Lenk could have been added -- less likely, in my opinion -- because all his only function was as Colborn's superior, the person Colborn talked to about the call in 2003, apparently, and the one who told him to write the report and the one who then took the report to the then sheriff, Ken Petersen, who reportedly locked it in his safe.
So these men who werent being sued decided to frame someone for murder (maybe even murder her themselves) because the county was being sued and they had to go to court?
shareI'm not an avid Avery supporter but if you're really struggling to see what their motives may be I can name a few.
First and foremost: money. When the state is being sued for $32 million, they have a lot of money to throw around to persuade people to assist in exterminating this lawsuit before they're potentially in the hole. If that's not enough incentive, perhaps they'd do it to appease their superiors and/or advance their positions (could be considered a stretch but a lot of the finer points of this case are, to say the very least, unclear.)
Those are the examples of bad replies I have seen. Those are terrible reasons.
You're basically saying these 2 men decided to put their whole careers and lives on the line cause the company they work for is being sued.
Even worse is the following reason which is 'to get a promotion'.
Acquaint yourself with the facts, sir. The DA and the former Sheriff were defendants in the lawsuit. They had a personal interest. They were not simply employees of Manitowoc County.
Acquaint yourself with the facts, sir. The DA and the former Sheriff were defendants in the lawsuit. They had a personal interest. They were not simply employees of Manitowoc County.
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See my response above.
Apologies if I've misunderstood you from the beginning. In your argument that employees of a company had no reason to be concerned, I understood you to mean that Kokourek and Vogel were simply employees of Manitowoc County and not defendants in the suit. If, from the beginning, you meant Colborn and Lenk, then yes, they were employed by Manitowoc County, which was being sued. But it was entirely possible that Colborn, at least, could have been added to that suit.
Kokourek and Vogel arent the ones who the finger is being pointed at for framing a man for murder. Colburn and Lenk are.
Which begs the question... why would they frame Avery for murder?
Colburn and Lenk withheld information about the rape of Beernsten that could have released Avery in 1995. Everyone in Manitowoc law enforcement involved in implicating and prosecuting Steven Avery for the rape of Beersten would want to see Steven Avery do something that would cause him to look like he should have been in prison regardless of whether he was innocent of rape. Also a lot of the law enforcement personnel involved in implicating and prosecuting steven avery for the rape of beernsten would be fired or let go from their jobs and probably would never be able to work in law enforcement again if the $36 million dollar lawsuit was successful which it most definitely would have been. Most people who work what are called professional jobs would rather die than work a lower class job.
shareOh come on. If you know this much about the case, you also have to know that Colburn was a lowly CO in 1995, and all he did was answer that call, and forward it on to the appropriate detective. It was the detective who dropped the ball re: Gregory Allen.
Penny Beernsten, the rape victim, identified Steven Avery as her rapist, without hesitation (as far as we know), which is very powerful evidence to a jury, even though she turned out to be wrong. While she was assisted in IDing SA, and she shouldn't have, especially given her eyes were punched by GA, making it difficult for her to make a concrete ID, personally, I don't think this was particularly about Manitowok LE being out to get SA.
Why would they? Sure, you can say they didn't like SA and/or members of his family, but I have a hard time believing they were actually out to get him. I have a hard time believing SA and other members of his family were the only people in the county LE considered "trouble" or "bad eggs." It's a rural, backwoods kind of area, with a decent enough number of "rednecks," or "troublemakers."
There was no lawsuit at all happening when SA was charged with Beernsteen's rape, so that's no motivation.
Apply your common sense. Doesn't mean there weren't problems with Manitowok LE, or other problem with the case -- I think most would agree there were.
The cat came back. They thought she was a goner. But the cat came back. She just couldn't stay away.
shareHey Bernie :)
I've still stopped by some time to time, but had no comment to make. And now they're closing the IMDb boards. What a shock that is.
There is no way in Hades I'll be on their FB and Twitter discussing shows and movies.
I'll miss you, and several others on this board (even those with whom I've disagreed). I'm heading to the Previously TV boards. Doubt I'll be on IMDb at all, except to check the occasional movie title and cast lists.
Adios, au revoir, c'est la vie. It has been very interesting to agree and disagree with everyone on these boards. Miss you, too. Take care.
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You and others may be interested in the following movie site:
https://www.themoviedb.org/?language=en
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Thanks, Ksp. I'll take a look around that site.
shareHere's another one you and those who like to discuss films might like:
https://letterboxd.com/
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Just so you know, last night I looked at PreviouslyTV again, and you don't have to have a Facebook or Twitter account to register. You can register with either, but the main option is just the standard: enter your username, email, and password.
shareI wrote it was probably just me. It doesn't take much to confuse me nowadays....excruciating migraines. I've been posting links as I find them for those of you who like to discuss movies and tv programs. Check my posts for the info. I never knew there were so many! I've been a member of IMDB since 2007 and only perused the site to find info about a tv program, movie, actors etc. I didn't realize how much I used it for that purpose only.
If I recognized an actor, but couldn't place him/her, into my Ipad I would go! I would read the message board threads about what I was viewing and more times than not I would find an answer to my questions. Of course there would be reference links which I would open. I do believe there will be no cause for me to go to IMDB after the boards are shut down. Why should I? Just to read reviews? I can find reviews in a multitude of places. I never posted until MAM...strange isn't it? I suppose I just got caught up in the hoopla. And to repeat...down the rabbit hole we went!
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The way you wrote it, I thought you were saying it was your just not liking the format of the board, not about registering.
I'm sorry you're subject to such horrible migraines. I rarely get regular headaches, and when I do, can't even imagine what it must be like for people who suffer from migraines. I hope you find something that relieves you of them, eventually (if not sooner).
I didn't notice any profanity on PreviouslyTV. In fact, I was impressed with the quality of the posters there, who remind me of some of the best, most intelligent and insightful posters here, which attracted me.
I only found IMDb while searching for some aspect of Mad Men, back in 2008, found the forum, and loved all of the insight the posters there provided. For two years I never went anywhere else here. Let me tell you, it was a RUDE awakening once I ventured out to other boards. I couldn't believe how contentious, rude, vile and antisocial many posters were, and on several boards that was the norm -- part of the culture of some individual boards.
Anyway, after lurking there for a year or two, I finally joined IMDb, solely because of that board.
Then I started looking up names of films I hadn't seen but was curious about -- often recommended by people on the boards here by a film I'd enjoyed very much. Then occasionally actors, or looked up the casts of shows or films I'd found interesting, and wanted to know who'd played which character, and what else they'd been in that I might like.
I may occasionally still do the latter, but there are many other sources for that info, so I may not. In any event, my use of IMDb will greatly wane once the boards are gone, and I now feel ill will towards Amazon for making this move.
I guess MAM must have really hooked you in, and down the rabbit hole, for you to have never posted until after seeing this show. I got hooked in and went down the rabbit hole as well, as so many of us who've posted here did, and even more so those on Reddit.
So anyhow, I wish you well, Ksp, and especially that somehow you'll be able to rid yourself of your migraines :)
Another one:
http://www.thegotboard.com/
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Thanks, but I think you may want to rethink this one. GOT = Game of Thrones, which is one of those most troll-ridden boards I've ever read here, and if you dislike profanity, I can assure you you don't want to be there, or -- inadvertently, recommend it it any way.
Too bad, because I like that they've replicated the boards there, as they were here (at least as far as I can see), but I have no interest in joining a GOT board, and very much doubt you would either. I'm less adverse to the occasional swearing than you are. Occasionally, I don't mind. But the GOT board is a weird cesspool. Sometimes people who post there are clever, most of the time, as far as I could see, it was largely taking great delight in trolling, and profanity was a regular feature.
Just so you know in advance.
Thanks much! Cross that one off! Geez! Game of Thrones? No way! No how!
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I do believe there will be no cause for me to go to IMDB after the boards are shut down
I think this may be the prevailing attitude and that traffic to imdb will fall off. I'm curious about why they chose to discontinue the message boards unless it was in fear of getting embroiled in slander and libel suits....and I'd think their disclaimer would take care of that.
Maybe it became expensive to monitor or maintain, though I'd think it is largely automatic.
It's a decision they may regret.
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The first thing I would do when going to IMDBtv was to read the reviews. Then I would scroll down to Discuss whatever I was viewing or after viewing. So many times I had questions answered without me posting the question. I never posted on a board until MAM. I think there are many of us who used the site as I did, just perusing comments for information. I'm definitely going to miss the comments as the commentators would sometimes include additional links. I'm not a social media type...no FB or the itty bitty bird. I'll probably just register on alternative sites then float around.
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Penny Beernsten, the rape victim, identified Steven Avery as her rapist, without hesitation (as far as we know), which is very powerful evidence to a jury,
Hey cat,
Before saying our adieux I thought you might be interested in what Penny Bernstein had to say about how she identified SA. Also, if I recall correctly she told LE the attacker had brown eyes...SA has very blue eyes.
Maybe, just maybe she didn't have to be hesitant as a result of her being led by the sheriff to where he wanted her to go. Power of suggestion is a very powerful thing especially when dealing with a vulnerable rape victim. The sheriff wanted to get the low life (as far as he was concerned) off the streets. Well, he succeeded. In a way I can't blame the sheriff. With their track records, I wouldn't want any of those brothers as neighbors. As a rule there could be a "black sheep" in a large family, but all three of the boys? Something went wrong in the gene pool.
As per Penny: (Red Text Mine)
At the time, I didn’t know anything about how memory works, about what good procedures are, about showing lineups to victims. The perpetrator was not in the photo lineup I was shown. I never had an opportunity to identify my actual assailant. It was a simultaneous lineup [where witnesses are shown all photos at once]; there were nine photos, and I looked carefully at each one and picked Steven Avery’s. The sheriff later put together a live lineup. There were eight men and I again picked Steven Avery. He was the only person who was in both, so it’s logical that I would pick him.
Two good Samaritans found me, bleeding and naked in the sand dunes. In the emergency room in the hospital I gave a description of my rapist to the police. I asked the sheriff if he had a suspect in mind and he said, “Yes”. I found out later that this was Steven Avery, who was out on bail for sticking a rifle in the face of a deputy sheriff’s wife.
Well, it's been a trip! Too bad the boards are being shut down. I truly depended on them when I wished to know more about a program or a movie. Of course there were different aspects among the viewers. Sometimes strong disagreements, but I always hoped for civil discourse without insults, name calling, profanity....in other words...an agreement to disagree. To date many of us are still at odds over the Avery/Dassey case. But, when thought about, nothing is concrete...set in stone. I was putting the case on the back burner, until news of a second season. Why? I can't see the need for one until Zellner gets through doing what she's doing. Oh well, what do I know? What will we do? No IMDB "Making A Murderer" message board! What will we do?
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Hey, Ksp. I know we didn't often agree, but that's okay. I still think you're a decent person, and always have had, even if we've usually disagreed and have some difficulty communicating.
I feel the same way about Mme, and a few other posters (Doggie, and I may be forgetting a few others).
The perpetrator was not in the photo lineup I was shown. I never had an opportunity to identify my actual assailant.
This is true, and it's not news to me; I've read her statements before. Her assailant was not in the photo lineup, nor in any other lineup. At that time no one knew GA was a suspect, so no, he wasn't in there. It wasn't until a decade or so later that AC answered the phone from the other county and forwarded the call to a detective (being only a lowly CO at the time) about some unnamed (to AC) person who was incarcerated in another county's jail or prison, who'd admitted to another prisoner he was the one who raped and brutalized Penny. Or a jailhouse snitch did, I forget now.
In the emergency room in the hospital I gave a description of my rapist to the police. I asked the sheriff if he had a suspect in mind and he said, “Yes”. I found out later that this was Steven Avery, who was out on bail for sticking a rifle in the face of a deputy sheriff’s wife.
You're not highlighting the other parts, which are also very important, if you're to be fair.
As I said earlier, in I think this thread. GA wasn't on their radar then; he wasn't in that county, as SA was. I don't believe they particularly had it out for SA, as you seem to. He was a "usual suspect" in ways, as were he and his brothers (and most likely his father before him, although I have no evidence of this), and no doubt some others, but I'm certain in that kind of neck of the woods, the Avery Boys were hardly one of a kind. SA just happened to loosely fit the description Penny gave, and she identified him for the reasons you quoted above. It's easy enough to mistake the color of someone's eyes during a rape or other type of attack, and LE had to know that.
We agree that it was terrible that SA was incarcerated for 12 years for a crime he was proven to have not committed. We don't even probably disagree about the type of person SA is, as far as I can remember.
Let's leave it at that, and commiserate with how shocking and unfortunate it is that IMDb had decided the shut the boards down, and get rid of this long-time community. I only registered in 2013, I think, but had lurked on the Mad Man board for at least a year or two before that (that board is what drew me here, and the only reason I returned, due to the [general] high level of intelligence and insightfulness of the posters there).
Occasionally I stop by the MAM-related Reddit subs, but not often, and am not registered there. It's doubtful that I ever will register on Reddit. Maybe I will if Zellner ever has something concrete to say, but I think I'm pretty much done with SA and MAM.
I wish you the best in your life, Ksp.
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but I think I'm pretty much done with SA and MAM.
Me, also! As an addendum to my reply to you, I didn't highlight where she gave her description to the sheriff due to my lack of recall of what she said. I could only recall with certainty she said he had blue eyes. Oh, and something about he had white underwear. SA didn't own underwear....yucky! To that I would say again I truly believe the sheriff did his best to stear her toward SA. He wanted SA to be the perpetrator. SA was on his radar due to SA's criminal activities and the description Penny gave.
The sheriff had blinders on....he could not see past SA. He was not thorough in his job because apparently he didn't check nearby counties for sex offenders who bore resemblance to SA. It made no difference SA had time stamped receipts and witnesses he was elsewhere close to the time of the rape. He recently had an encounter with SA so I suppose he felt "We got him!"
Oh well, so many times in the past I found myself saying in response to someone being exonerated, "With his rap sheet, he just served time for the crimes he got away with!" If not incarcerated for the rape maybe justice was served for the other crimes he did commit. I'm aware this frame of mind is unconstitutional, but there are times when we get so exasperated with a low life, we welcome he/she to be put away. There is a family in my hometown which include six siblings. One of the siblings is that "black sheep". He murdered his wife (only served a few years) raped and held hostage his girlfriend, possible suspect in an unsolved murder, numerous other offenses, neighbors are fearful of him, etc. Where is he? He's walking the streets. So many of us wish he was thrown in jail for life no matter the charge!
BTW, I checked out "PreviouslyTV". I didn't much care for it. The format is strange (probably just me) but I did attempt to register. To register I had to go through Facebook. I don't do Facebook so I backed out. Anyhow, from the few posts I read, I could see the moderators don't curb the language. Same with the other one Audio something. This is why I haven't joined reddit....well I did, then unregistered because of the language so many posters used. I think I'll just continue to read and not post. I don't care to engage with people who use profanity.
Yes, I will miss the IMDB Message Boards. I'm in accord with you to your point about reading other people's thoughts in respect to a program or a movie. They have pointed out things I've missed seeing. As a rule I don't post....I just read and garner as much info I can. So many times posters will list a link with their posts which gives us further info. How dull IMDB is going to be!
As I said previously "It's been a trip"...either down the yellow brick road or down the rabbit hole! You can be very officious, but you are intelligent and your recall to events is a trait to envy. Darn you! You caused me to do so much research....reading and re-reading those damnable eye crossing transcripts! LOL! Most of the time we disagreed and deemed aspects of the Avery/Dassey case differently. Those heated exchanges caused me to back off and not post further...to take a respite. I wasn't able to persuade or dissuade you and others to go where I was going or to turn around and see facts the way I saw them. And, of course, vice versa.
Anyhow, to you and those who weren't on my Ignore List..."Live long and prosper."
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He wanted SA to be the perpetrator. SA was on his radar due to SA's criminal activities and the description Penny gave.
I think it was personal, too. SA had accosted one of their own -- Sandy Morris -- in a serious, dangerous way. As they saw it, she could have been killed.
Sheriff's departments, like almost any such agency, are like a family; they take personally what happens to one of their own and because they are LE, they have the means and opportunity and power to do something about it. I think they despised Steven Avery and thought he was a waste of breath. I think he had become a "cause," a mission. Dvorak's comment that it "sounds like Steven Avery" shows the mindset in that department; they immediately went to him, even though they had to know about Allen, as well, and his own criminal activity. But they had no reason to hate Allen; they did have a reason to hate Avery.
And when it turned out he had an alibi, witnesses, a receipt from a store, they couldn't let it go. They made it fit, by driving at excess speeds to get from where he was to the beach, in order to convince themselves and a jury that he could have done it. They had to know, by then, that he probably didn't, especially after being questioned by the Chief of Police, one of their own office staff, and Penny herself. But they didn't want to let it go, the opportunity to put Steven Avery away for good. They were, I think, vengeful and retaliatory.
They still had that mindset 20 years later. Gene Kuscke said it, so did Peterson; they were not convinced by the DNA that exonerated Avery of the 1985 case. They couldn't let go of their conviction that he was that kind of bad guy, fully capable of both the Beersten rape and Teresa's murder. And almost certainly in Peterson, who ostensibly had nothing to do with the case, and in some other, older LE, as well. They went to Avery as suddenly in 2005 -- despite what Remiker and Wiegert reportedly said about "barking up the wrong tree" -- as they had in 1985.
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^^^^Ditto! Mme, I couldn't have said it better myself! Darn, I'm going to miss you and this board!
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Darn, I'm going to miss you and this board!
Ditto, indeed!
We'll all feel like orphans!
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Another link to check out:
http://www.thegotboard.com/
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There's really no sense in us discussing MAM any further. We're never going to see things the same way, so there's no point.
I vote trip down the rabbit hole! Was it ever.
I checked out "PreviouslyTV". I didn't much care for it. The format is strange (probably just me) but I did attempt to register. To register I had to go through Facebook.
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Did you manage to find out how to quote on your ipad then, or did you manage to get your main computer fixed?
I have to say I will miss you guys as well, even though I know I have been guilty of being one of the less classy people on these boards in terms of name calling and mocking. Hopefully I'll see you all in whatever board becomes the go to place instead of IMDB. I have a feeling it might be the movie database, if only for the similarities in name with IMDb.
Never was able to quote on my iPad, without hand-coding the BB code, which was just too much of a pain to bother with doing unless I only had one thing to quote. Since following the instructions given me as to how it's supposed to work, I had no to come to the conclusion there's something wrong with it, and I have no idea how to fix it.
I have gotten my computer fixed, or at least fixed enough so I can use it again. What a relief!
I'll be going to PreviouslyTV, but unfortunately it doesn't include films (as far as I know), and I enjoy intelligent discussion about films as well. So tired of THIS IS THE WORST MOVIE I'VE EVER SEEN!!1 types of posts, which unfortunately are all too common here.
For the most part, at this point in time, I'm more interested in TV shows, because the good ones have the time to develop characters and plots that films don't. In the past 10 or so years, TV has come to surpass most films, for this reason, IMO.
Still, I enjoy watching some films as well, and mostly enjoyed reading posts about them. So I may have to do two forums instead of one. Not my preference, by a long shot, but it may have to do.
Overall, I enjoyed your posts, Ro-bust, so thanks for your contributions. And several others, which whom I regularly disagreed, but were able to remain civil and on-point.
Utter nonsense. You are suggesting a jailhouse snitch saying GA confessed would have released SA, a call where AC was never even told any names? So you believe in the reliability of snitches or not (Evans' letter is true then?) or does it only work one way? AC and Lenk were not being sued.
The officers involved in the 85 arrest were retired. If LE really were out to get SA, they would have charged him with the rape of his niece who gave a ststement to LE.
There was no liability for individual officers (Wisconsin law). The DOJ had already ruled there was no intentional malice. Insurance would cover the first $5 million, then the county. It is highly unlikely the amount would exceed $5 m. if SA won (not a slam dunk). Most cases settle for a smaller amount...$36 m. is meaningless.
LE is not a profession (i.e. self-governing) and is hardly a high-paying job. Not that anyone was going to lose any jobs over this. Individuals had no stake in this and would hardly risk going to prison with the very people they put in prison. A terrible risk.. for what? AC would have been a hero for finding the car, likely get elected sheriff in a wave of good publicity. What a find, newspaper headlines. Andy the hero cop.
People who were the defendants in the Avery lawsuit include Lenk and Colburn and also some powerful people above those two. The law enforcement personnel involved in implicating Steve Avery for the rape of Beernsten would more than likely be fired since citizens do not like it when police misconduct causes a $36 million dollar lawsuit.
People who were the defendants in the Avery lawsuit include Lenk and Colburn and also some powerful people above those two.
No. Lenk and Colborn were not named in the lawsuit. They only gave depositions. It's possible that both could have been added, in that Colborn reportedly -- by his own admission -- took the phone call, and Lenk later knew about it because Colborn told him. It's very unlikely SA would have a cause against Lenk, in my opinion, because he didn't know about the call until 2003, when SA was being exonerated. And then he did the right thing: told Colborn to write a report and then took that report to his superior, the sheriff, who locked Colborn's report in his safe.
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Utter nonsense. You are suggesting a jailhouse snitch saying GA confessed would have released SA, a call where AC was never even told any names? So you believe in the reliability of snitches or not (Evans' letter is true then?) or does it only work one way? AC and Lenk were not being sued.
Why did AC bring it up in 2003 then? If he was told it was from a snitch, if he had no names, thought it was so unimportant, why mention it at all eight years later? Because he thought it was about SA, and SA was about to be exonerated?
AC was not being sued but admitted on the stand that he was "concerned" about the lawsuit. He was aware that he could be added. share
Colburn and Lenk withheld information about the rape of Beernsten that could have released Avery in 1995.
To be fair, I think Lenk didn't know about the phone call until 2003, when AC told him about it. He then suggested AC write a report, which he did. Lenk took the report to the sheriff, who locked it in his safe.
If anyone has culpability for the 1995 phone call, it is Colborn himself..... or maybe the Brown County detective who should have spoken with someone other than a jailer who answered the phone....assuming the phone call actually happened.
He either told someone about it AT THE TIME, transferred the call to a detective, told the caller to speak to a detective, or didn't do any of those things. Why he even mentioned it in 2003 has never been clear. Conscience? Being "in the know" after the fact? Only he knows, presumably.
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