why doe martin hold his gun sidways
looks unprofessional.
You can't persuade fanboys. You'd be better off trying to convince a wall. ~CodeNamePlasmaSnake~
It's called Centre Axis Relock (or CAR) system.
Not only does it create a stance from which it is possible to present a smaller target area to any assailants, it also allows the holder to fire from cover whilst still moving without too much adjustment.
It's also an effective way to carry a weapon if wearing full combat gear, which given that Riggs is a former special forces guy, would also make sense as to why he is more comfortable with it.
The main advantages of this stance are increased weapon retention. It's much more difficult to take someone by surprise and force them to drop their weapon (or even disarm them) if their weapon is held too tightly to their chest. As most people (seasoned vet's included) reflex reaction to a loud noise (such as a gunshot) is to flinch and draw the arms in, in a combat situation that movement can cost valuable seconds: the CAR system eliminates that reaction, as the arms have nowhere to move back to.
So, really, it's exactly how you would expect Riggs to carry a weapon (and the correct way). Certainly not the way Hollywood has told us it should be carried.
CAR? Did you just make up that silly horseshyte? Some idiot created a doofus acronym and wants to be recognized as a visionary. That stupid "system" has never been an official "thing", at least not in civilian law enforcement. It's like the idiotic "Condition 1" or "Condition 2" or whatever for describing how to carry a firearm, instead of using real words like "cocked and locked". Wannabe experts cling to silly shyte like this.
shareNope, didn't make it up at all. And it's easy to find if one is interested in learning instead of just talking to strangers like they talked to the classmates during recess in elementary school.
shareBWAHAHAHA. Some dink made up a really stupid "shooting system" in order to make a name for himself and to sell instruction to all manner of wannabe tactical operators and other punks who think they're badass gunfighters because they've wasted thousands of hours playing first-person shooter video games instead of trying to hone their skills talking to girls. Who worries about being a thirty-year-old virgin living in mommy's basement when you're the baddest-ass killer of Nazi zombies on the planet? Ask ANY REAL law enforcement firearms instructor and you'll learn that CAR is a gimmicky marketing thing for noobs and poseurs like the dork who first posted about it here and the loser who thinks he can make me stop posting on IMDB. Keep dreaming, you deluded perma-virgins. You'll never know the touch of a woman-- not that you probably want to. Maybe you two should get to know one another. What dinks.
shareSW, just stop posting kid. It's pretty apparently you don't know what you are even talking about.
shareI am not sure what the OP means. Does Riggs hold his gun sideways "gangster style"?
That kind of sideways?
I looked up CAR and I dont see that here:
http://pointshooting.com/1acar.htm
I have read/heard that loud noises tend to make peoples hands go UP. That is why many say that the shoulder holster makes a gun closest and fastest for drawing to reply to a threat. A noisy threat, I guess.
Everybody has theories. There is validity in all of them. Experience is a good teacher too, along with knowledge. Just like any thing else in life.
I NEVER dis a style/theory. The bottom line is to find out what works best for YOU and your physiology and mind set.
I deep conceal in an uber comfortable fabric based shoulder holster like Air Marshal's wear. Waist band (front/side or back) carry is not good for me.
Great post, but Riggs style IS CAR. The high position version of it to be more exact (at least while he's moving and trying to clear rooms). He doesn't do it the best, but it's, IMO, pretty obvious that's the style he is trying to emulate. He IS an actor not an actual former military special forces guy.
When actors try to imitate the Weaver or Isosceles style, they rarely nail that either. The only style close to what Riggs is doing, and he is very close most of the time, is CAR. Problem, is, it's rarely shown on TV so people get it in there heads that it's 'wrong' or 'unprofessional' when it's really not. It's a good way to go about carry your weapon especially when you're going into rooms and/or close quarter environments. It's a good way to carry it if you're used to wearing battlegear because of how battlegear will pinch your arms when extending.
You can cling to acronyms and gimmicks if you want but nobody in civilian law enforcement teaches this CAR shyte. Not in the U.S. anyway. The guys who come up with new shooting "systems" are the guys who can't get dates and are trying to sell a new training method to gullible administrators who would have no need for it and who would excuse themselves from having to learn it. Boy, it's NONSENSE! All one needs is a good stance, practiced trigger control and sight alignment. Emulating anything that cockatoo-hair-boy does on Lethal Weapon the lame TV show is stupid.
shareNobody says that a shoulder holster is the fastest draw position.
Absolutely nobody.
In fact, Appendix carry is the fastest. Followed by the standard 3:00 position on the hip.
Saying that there is validity in every theory is garbage. Some theories are *beep*
Jesus Christ, please *beep* yourself.
I hate to agree with this idiot freesejason but a shoulder holster is only the fastest draw if seated, especially in a car. And he's also right about not "every" theory being valid, and to prove that the stupid little b!tch freesejason has made other posts filled with all kinds of silly, ignorant and moronic nonsense. My favorite is his weak attempt to insult me by saying that I have never received training in "the Modern Technique of the pistol"(sic) -- whatever the *beep* that is! I guess he made that up. Maybe he'll officially give it the acronym MTP, and he can claim he invented it.
shareHey, Ravensclaw, stick with living in your Harry Potter fantasy world. Real life is not working out for you. At all.
shareDon't sweat it mate. Another week or so, swcolt and his buddies will have to move on. Their infantile behaviour has closed down the boards. For them, it is mission accomplished. For us, well, we won't stumble across their inane scrawling anymore.
You can't palm off a second-rater on me. You gotta remember I was in the pink!
http://concealednation.org/2015/08/firearm-condition-readiness-condition-0-condition-1-condition-2-condition-3-condition-4-what-do-they-all-mean/
Plus the million or so Youtube vids and other articles.
So who is really the wannabe expert?
Shut up, stupid! If all you've got to prove your weak-ass claim is a YouTube video, you're sucking on it pretty hard. Those lame carry conditions are for pussies and wannabes who think it sounds cool to toss out lame lingo. You think the average person is going to be able to memorize all the different conditions and numbers? You're delusional. Use plain English, dickless. It's for poseurs who like to memorize nonsense! You sound stupid spouting such silliness. You might as well announce to the world that you like to look at the private parts of other dudes when standing at public urinals. Condition One: eyes forward, b!tch!
shareagrestic69--
I decided to check out your link and was surprised to find it wasn't a gay porn site. Instead it was an even less useful article about the firearms carry conditions. Boy, forget that shyte right now. Use PLAIN ENGLISH on the range or somebody will die. Expecting the average dork to memorize that useless nonsense on top of trying to remember to keep their muzzle pointed in a safe direction at all times is expecting way too much. Wait until you try to teach a bunch of average people how to shoot. You'll abandon all that gimmicky feces, like CAR and Condition 4, real quick.
Your post was the stupidest, least informed thing I've read all day. CAR is a well established school of training. Google is your friend. You go on to further *beep* yourself with your garbage about condition 1/2. You clearly have no *beep* idea what you're talking about, and have never had any serious training in the Modern Technique of the pistol.
You know who says "cocked and locked"? *beep* douchemonkeys like you who have zero training.
freesejason, you little b!tchboy. You think I am wrong and that you're smart because you wrote "the Modern Technique of the pistol"(sic)? WTF is that supposed to be, some crap you made up and excreted from that anus between your ears? What an idiot!
OK, we can all go home now, the world renowned firearms expert and ultimate tactical operator, Mr. Jason Freese has spoken! In his squeaky, high-pitched girly voice he has declared that we all must learn this B.S. CAR technique so we can be like the cockatoo guy on this silly TV show. And we must memorize silly horse dung like "Condition 1/2" (Seriously? Does that mean Condition Half?). Next time you want to try to prove to yourself that you're almost adequate, exercise some restraint and don't make a complete a$$ of yourself. I've been shooting and carrying guns longer than you've been making one-handed passionate love to your computer monitor. I bet you're an expert at killing Nazi zombies. Maybe we should listen to you. Now go upstairs and tell your mommy how smart you are. And I think your "landlord" made you a grilled cheese for lunch. Yummy, mommy!!
Apart from your constant insulting of other posters, you are not really bringing much to the debate here. Would you care to elaborate on what makes your opinion better than the others? I personally know ex-sf, I work with a couple, and, strangely, they actually do use the car system. I dont, but, at the end of the day, when using a pistol, its all down to how you feel comfortable, no point using a stance that makes you uncomfortable, your grouping is going to be *beep*
sharerob-stanley-facebook:
There's nothing wrong with insulting idiots and wannabes and fanboys. They each grew up with an overprotective mommy telling him he was the handsomest, most special little man on the planet, and when he got to adulthood he still believed it. The old ho did the punk no favors. Now he has to learn how to deal with misery and rejection. So now he wastes his pathetic life learning idiotic technobabble of overly analytical theories that have no real application in life. "The Modern Technique of the Pistol"? That idiot made that up himself. It's gibberish. So is CAR. It's all pretty much the same old stuff, basic shooting principles, dressed up with nonsense and frippery. Good thing they're shutting down these message boards. Nothing but idiots posting about other idiots.
Wow... You're persistent, I'll give you that, but c'mon, even the worst trolls know when to stop. But given no one is really giving you proper evidence on the CAR system, allow me to enlighten you
http://www.pointshooting.com/1acar.htm
http://www.sabretactical.com
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/can-center-axis-relock-make-faster-safer-accurate/
It is primarily for civilian shooters, but law enforcement and military have adopted it as well
It only hurts if you let it
the-germanator2 -
Give it up, f__ktarded one, I'm not clicking on any of your virus-infested gay porn links. There's nothing you can excrete that would ever convince me that I need to learn this stupid shyte. So I'm a troll for making fun of your favorite way to pose and pretend you're a badass tactical operator? Forgive me for bursting your bubble, but your precious little "CAR" system isn't nearly as widely known or accepted as you think it is. But it's perfect for Hollywood, the same medium in which the gangsta' sideways pistol hold became so popular. You were probably a big proponent of that, too, and chubbed up every time you drew down sideways on some poor Nazi zombie and blew him away. I bet that back in the day you had the sights mounted on the side of the slide on your gay little plastic Glock, only to have them remounted properly when the exciting new CAR "shooting system" was dropped into the latrine of the firearms world. It's all a gimmick so some schmuck can sell training to poseur yuppie morons like you who want to be seen as the most modern, up-to-date tactical operators at the gun range. I bet you wear cammies all the time, have a big beer gut and still think you're fit and athletic. Delusion is a powerful mindset.
I ask again, what qualifies you to make the comments you do? I have worked in Military security for the past 15 years, so I know my way around a pistol. As I said, I have me, and worked with ex-sf people before, and they use car. So, speaking from a personal perspective, where I can say first hand that I know people from the Military, who actually do use this technique, I ask, once again, what qualifies you to make the statement you do? Are you ex military, police, currently serving?
Ask all you want, you stupid f@gg0t, but this is the internet. I'm not looking for a nice guy to settle down with, so I don't put personal business on stupid message boards. People can make up all kinds of "qualifications" and exaggerate all sorts of stupid shyte. Gee, you know "ex-sf" (Does that stand for San Francisco? That would definitely be your kind of town), but assuming you mean Special Forces... so what? Does that make you an expert by osmosis? You swallow a guy's load and you suddenly develop all his skills? If you really know your way around a pistol as well as you know your way around a guy's wrinkled, sweaty sack, then you are indeed the expert pistolero you so boldly claim to be. I never said CAR doesn't exist, I merely state that it's a bunch of silly crap. Not so much the techniques (proper grip, stance, trigger control and sight alignment), which have been around as long as firearms have existed, but the idiot who packaged it up and gave it all a pretty name -- that's what's lame about it.
By the way, the CAR crap is pretty much nothing more than a slightly modified Weaver stance, which has been around for decades. It just involves a little more posing, which weak-minded, insecure losers feel like they need in their lives. Get it? It's nothing more than POSING! Just stick with the basics, as listed above. And forget the gimmicks (like Condition 1, etc.). Using anything but PLAIN ENGLISH on the range is too confusing to the average person and can lead to trouble.
Hey, the-germanator2 guy seems to be a fellow of like-minded pursuits. I beat you two would hit it off just swell.
Again, a lot of abuse, but no content to your drivel. A lot of homophobic innuendo, are you that confused about your own sexuality that you have to imply others are that what you really, really, desire to be?
Expert by osmosis? No, however, I watch and learn, and am always looking for methods to improve my skills on the pistol.
May I suggest a therapist? You have serious anger issues, possibly created by your confusion about your own sexuality. Its ok, in this day and age, you can be anything you want to be, dont be concerned, dont be embarrassed. Just open up the closet, and walk out, its a brand new world out there, and the only thing holding you back is your medieval standards.
Bye, Bye, it must be time for your usual stint in the toilets at the biker bar.
Hmm, he gives up as easy as he probably is in the biker bar toilets.
I've always been impressed that Riggs holds his gun that way, it seems more authentic. I appreciate it when a show/actor takes extra time to get some details correct.
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He's a pretender pretending to be a badass acting like a moron who looks like a cockatoo. But if you're impressed, that's all that counts.
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