S1: Chapter 6


Welcome to your weekly episode thread!

Again, please feel open to use this space as a place to put any ol' thought, theory, question/s, or the like below as a free flowing exchange of discussion for this chapter.
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First Impression - Not as good as last week's, I felt it meandered a bit in the middle, but liked seeing the way they flipped the Clockworks thing on its head. I won't go on about the rest here though. All in all a solid episode that I think serves as a bridge to take us from Chap. 5 to the final act of the season.

FYI, as well, it was announced today that the show was renewed! So, at least we know whatever insane cliffhanger they, assuredly have planned, won't leave us hanging forever ;) ya know, hopefully.....

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Yes, hopefully. I LOVE that it's been renewed. The TV pinheads occasionally get it right. Occasionally.

I liked this episode as much as last week's. It wasn't as physical, but it was more cerebral, if that's possible. And it was even weirder in its own way. I can hardly wait for episode 7. I'm also looking forward to an explanatory you tube video. I've watched them for the first five episodes.
They've been very helpful. They confirmed some things I noticed, and pointed out a lot of things which I missed.

Thanks for taking the lead on this. Btw, it's eight episodes, right?

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I'm SO happy it's renewed too. It being on FX, I wasn't really worried, but it's always nice to know before the season finale. A lot of times, especially with new shows, they'll wait till the first one is over to assess the reception overall and then make a decision. It's a good sign they went ahead and did it already! FX is the best really.

I'm certainly going to rewatch the episode (like I do all the others, hah), so I think this one just might be a grower on me. I didn't hate it at all, but compared to last week my reaction was a bit more tempered, is all. I need to watch more of those videos. I go here and reddit and just general reviews to pick up on things and better inform myself of the show...I think actively discussing it works best, though!

And you're welcome, I'm just thrilled to see anyone came to this board, to be honest. You all rock! And yes, it's 8 episodes...so only 2 more :o

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I liked this episode. It was less psychedelic than last week but I felt like it did some useful explaining, so I am slightly less confused.
Plus we got an awesome dance number! The devil with yellow eyes has some great gams.

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Yay! for the renewal.

It wasn't as bonkers as the previous two episodes, but it was a nice rest pit for us to collect ourselves before the final two episodes. But again the end of the episode left me with arms in the air going "Aaaah".

So Lenny=DYE? So is "he" the dog as well? And Little Boy Frank too?

Lenny being all over David, again, super creepy. I'd kill for that silver nail polish, though.

And that dance number! I guess I'd be all happy too, if I finaly had the mind of a man I've been pestering for god knows how many years, all to myself.

And another thing. What's with the missing feet? It happened in episode one, when Syd goes to David's room. It happened againg this episode, when David goes to Syd. Has this been explained?

There's so much more with Oliver, The Eye, and Bird in the Bullet time with the Cheshire Cat eyes...

But anyway, enough of my rambling. I need to sleep on this.

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Questions/Observations that popped up for me during this episode....
1. Why was Syd the one who was able to detect that Clockworks wasn't real? Was it because she was on the cusp of death or whatever from that bullet? Residual from swapping with David, again? Something to do with her almost being attacked by YED before they all were transported there?

2. Why bother going through sessions with all the other Summerland people? Now, I have my own answer to this and that was just Lenny's way of gaining information on them. Or was she constructing those memories/pasts for them? To bring further context to the environment to make it feel real? I figured it was just her way of putting more control on the situation while also garnering more knowledge.

3. Interesting mention of David not loving dogs. Just a furthering of that motif. It's a weird juxtaposition to how we know his attitude was towards King as a child. Now, we know King wasn't actually a dog and all, but...David didn't know that so why the turn towards disliking dogs? A sign he knew King was off all along? Did he do something to King in his mind?

4. I liked the inclusion of the bugs all over the food again. I assume that's the other layers, aka the white room, kind of spilling over...another signal that not everything is as it seems and is alright. Could it have been a minor defense in David's brain to signal this? I'm still somewhat unclear on if they share a mind since the parasite is its own thing with its own consciousness (as Cary suggested). I suppose, the word parasite obviously means it's feeding off his mind though, lol, so now I'm just talking in circles....ugh, this show.

5. The door that opens with no feet appears again! First with Syd and now David, anybody have any ideas what's up with that? Is it just another display of things possibly not being real? For some reason, this one drives me crazy...probably cause it's one of the little mysteries we've had the longest at this point.

6. Just noticed this second time around that Cary said he was already dreaming about Oliver's ice cube. I missed that before...why did Oliver pick him to be his conduit in a sense? Just easiest to get into his mind about it since he's already into that stuff? Or, Cary's just the person he's known the longest and most next to Melanie.

7. Why did The Eye pick on Kerry like that? I figured it was because he wanted to create some kind of chaos to jolt them all out of this and saw her as the easiest way to achieve that and start it off. Other than that I'm not so sure why. I thought because she knows how to kick some ass he was trying to awaken those abilities out of her to help get them out, but I dunno. I almost feel like he won't turn out to be as bad as we think he is....

8. It's sad just how easy it was to manipulate David into this reality. The whole time I just wanted to be like, "come on, man, snap out of it!" He totally buys into all these different realities of what people tell him, it's a scary and again sad, thing. I don't blame him for this one though, as he was saying how much he liked the balance and control he was feeling...he was content, for once, though I know that's what Lenny wanted him to feel to become complacent to her ways. Just goes to show ya what people give up for a little peace, really.

9. Interesting making Amy go all Nurse Ratchet. Why was that? To show her as an outsider to all of this? Her whole, "nobody wants you here," I get was psychological bullying or even an inner monologue of David's, but why was she given a "bad guy" role when she's been one of the only ones genuinely on David's side? His or Lenny's view of her in light of the adoption news? Trying to estrange their relationship? Just curious how she wasn't put into another patient role, but one of antagonism.

10. Do you think Melanie will sacrifice herself and jump in front of those bullets? That's the thought that instantly popped into my head after she couldn't touch them and couldn't seem to move David and Syd. Since the eyes were upon her, and she was pressured for time...I could see her maybe doing that in a split second to save them. Maybe not? And again, if that's not the real world still than what are the implications of such a thing? Is it just up to them to claw away at the layers still they get back to it?

11. I really enjoyed the ending between Lenny and David. Not only because they're the best performers (imho), but that relationship dynamic is just so strange and grossly intriguing. The ways she fondles his body like that over and over is always pretty disturbing...just a physical act of her dominance, it's almost tough to watch a little...or I'm just a Sensitive Sally :P Her nihilistic diatribe doesn't help either!

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Apparently I discovered the word limit! And I was almost done too, haha just a few more things....

12. Her saying, "Walter understands," was something that stood out too. Could YED perhaps have been in him prior to David and that's why he was so violent in the past and would understand? Her knowing his real dad too makes ya scratch your head as well.

13. And of course, David literally being boxed out of his own mind/body. Frightening! Does that mean Lenny will be in charge these last two episode until they conquer her and all that, (which I'm assuming will happen in some way or another)? There are some interesting theories out there about this, but I'll end it here now.

* also the promos for the coming episode have been quite telling and stirring too...so check those out if you haven't already.

Just a handful of things I thought I'd throw out there to see what other thoughts come back! Pardon the lengthy mind dump ;)

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About 9th, I saw that particular scene as the personification of David's inner demons: Sometimes it doesn't matter how hard you try to convince someone of your love for them as, deep down in their sick minds, they can't really accept it.

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Ah, yeah, I can see that. I guess it just shows the new division that lies between them now and how their relationship could be taking a turn for the worse.

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Nice list, Dreamers!

I can't add much to it, you already covered all the bases. I'll give my explanation on some of those points:

4. I liked the inclusion of the bugs all over the food again.
I think that bugs represent that David is under influence of DYE when he's creating realities, and that's why the realities are not perfect but have a flaw in them, i.e. bugs. Syd can't know that though, but the viewers can, cause we've seen it before. So, that clue was given basically to us and not to Syd.

6. Just noticed this second time around that Cary said he was already dreaming about Oliver's ice cube.
I noticed that when Cary was contacted by Oliver and brought into forest, the bruises on his face reemerged. Does that mean that he's already "out of the illusion?"

9. Interesting making Amy go all Nurse Ratchet.
I thought that maybe she was a good guy here, trying to make David uncomfortable enough to "snap out of it"

10. Do you think Melanie will sacrifice herself and jump in front of those bullets?
I thought the same, that she will put herself in front of the bullets. But on second thought, she might put something else between the bullets and Syd/David, that would also work. Maybe an astronaut suit, that is bullet proof, I suppose.

13. And of course, David literally being boxed out of his own mind/body.
Man, that was scary.

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I like your takes!

I also noticed that every time the bugs have come up it's in conjunction with a red fruit! I doubt it really means anything other than something that's usually sweet and good for you is now tainted, but just an observation nonetheless. I think your view on it is pretty spot on.

I realized Cary's bruises were back too so he was at least brought back into the Haller household reality and was kind of taken out of it by Oliver. I assume that meant he had snapped back. After waking Syd, I suppose that sort of confirms it.

Love your idea about Amy! Her being mean as a way to signal to David that this isn't right or how you know her to be so something is off! I have no idea if that's what was intended, but that's a really different and thinking outside the obvious way of looking at it. Nice! I agree that what she was saying was supposed to be more from David's own mind, of course...but whether that was its way of getting him out of it or just showing us his inner monologue/possibly poisonous thoughts Lenny's trying to instill, remains to be seen, to me.

Melanie could put something else in between them besides herself. Duh, I'm saying to myself, haha...don't know why I leapt to her killing herself so quickly, I think I was just thinking of her having to act fast and her body being the quickest thing to get in there. But yes, if she could get her hands on something else from that room than go for it! The diver's suit isn't a bad idea, barring it wouldn't hurt the person inside who would be Cary at this point, as far as we know. Hell, throw that awful 'Angry Boy' book in front of it and destroy that horrible thing :P

It was scary to see that that's where David will be for the time being. It'll be wild seeing him get out of that one, I look forward to seeing how the hell he does that. Perhaps he discovers a new, insane power! Gotta work on that telepathy while you're at it, my dude!

And please feel free to add more...I was throwing this list out there to incite discussion not to domineer it. So, don't take my incessant rambling as a way to quash any other thoughts you may have, lol, they're good ones!

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I don't know why I wrote "astronaut suit" lol... it should be "diver suit".

One thing I totally don't get is what is Cary doing inside the suit? Does it mean that Oliver took him out of David's reality and drew him into his own (Oliver's) reality? What is your take on it? I have no ideas. My mind is blank (headphones with crickets)

Btw, I noticed that we, the viewers, are getting smarter about the show. They can't catch us unprepared anymore lol. We are onto them. We suspect everything.

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Astronaut suit, diver's suit, tomato...uhh....that saying doesn't work through text, haha!

My only guess for Cary being in the suit is that Oliver can't be physically there, he can only guide them from his ice cube, so Cary has to act as his literal proxy to help the rest of them out. Why he has to do that with the suit? Maybe that's what keeps their connection up? If he gets out of the suit perhaps Cary loses his through-line to Oliver and can't communicate/get instructions? That's the best I've got!

Headphones with crickets, hah, yeah that was weird. Interesting choice of a sedative there, Lenny!

And you're right that the fans seem to be quite hip to Legion's twist and unreliable ways. I'm used to watching stuff like this that I've almost conditioned myself to be suspicious and view stories through this, "what's real? what isn't?" kind of lens, but...I'd like to think Hawley and Co. would be a bit surprised to see just how much we have surmised and assumed about things here and there, even if they weren't right! To see the fans engaged with it on such an insightful and deep level, has to sort of be the ultimate reward...I know if I were involved in a show like this that's what I'd love the most about its reception!

At the same time though, I'm sure they'd probably want that from us fans. Having us question the reality is part of its ploy and the fun for us, as well. So it's mutually beneficial that way, as I see it ;)

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Good points about the diver suit. I'll have to re-watch that scene and check to see if Cary has bruises in that scene, cause bruises are apparently some sort of a clue where Cary is. (or how far removed from reality he is, or in whose reality he is)

Hawley is forcing us to watch everything twice! lol

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I don't know if you'd be able to tell if he has bruises or not, actually, because he's mostly covered by the diver's suit. The last we see of him is him opening the face cage of the suit to show Syd it's him and they start moving...presumably back to the room with the bullets, or maybe to work on getting everyone else back to their plane of existence.

Maybe if they go to that bullet room Syd will decide she's okay with sacrificing herself. I've seen people theorize that she'll die and be absorbed by David as another personality (if she isn't one already, that is) and live the rest of her life on the show that way...I can't say I'm opposed to that idea. The thought of her and Lenny/YED battling it out in there (unless she takes YED w/ her as the bullets hit, that is) is both gripping and sad.

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Syd's been the one who's been able to see David's creations and other things from his mind all along. And I'm going back and forth, whether it's because of the switch, or because she's also one of David's creations. Sort of the "angel" on his shoulder, in answer to Lenny's/DYE devil. And Lenny really doesn't like her. It could be because she's a positive outside influence. Or it's because she's a product of David's mind unconsciously fighting back, and creating something to combat Lenny's negative influence. Does this make any sense? I might be overthinking things again :D

Lenny created this Clockworks to make David comfortable. Amy on the other hand was doing everything to make him uncomfortable. I don’t know why Lenny would put her in the role of a nurse, but I think that her being antagonizing to David in this scenario is a good thing, because it disturbs David’s comfort. But there’s always at least two ways you could interpret things in the show. They all seem to be, at least sub-subconsciously, aware of this being off, so maybe that’s Amy’s way of snapping David out?

Maybe I’m being Captain Obvious again, but I’m not convinced Bird has left the astral at all. Those big eyes confuse me, and I have no idea how she’ll be able to influence the situation, or what’s going on there, with the slowed time, or even where we are. If the house is in the augmented reality, maybe Oliver is able to influence it as well, so that’ll explain why time seems to have stopped.

As to Lenny being in charge, she’s kind of been in charge for the past two episodes. But her finally giving up on trying to work with him, and boxing him out (or in) is truly terrifying. I really like that this whole thing is basically David’s battle with his inner demons, so to speak, and not with a wholly external enemy. But I’m not convinced we’ll see her defeated before the end of the season. Maybe David wouldn’t be able to expel her from his mind, but will box her in there, like she did with him?

The missing feet really bug me as well. If they're a sign of things not being real, were we in reality to begin with? Or is it a sign that Syd's not real, and why is that mirrored in this episode?

And a quick question, who’s Walter? Is he a character I’ve missed?

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Walter is the real name of the guy we call "The eye", the one with a white eye who can see astral projections.

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Thanks, Apis! With so much going on, you'd think the characters' names would be the easy part :)

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You're making sense...as much as any of us can for this show, lol. I'm still torn about Syd's presence too and whether she's really real or not. I still don't think it's impossible that she's both and he's been sort of projecting her this whole time, but we'll just have to wait and see.

You made a similar point to Apis, in that Amy's off-putting behavior was her way of trying to get David out of the whole delusion. But I don't see how she could circumvent Lenny's powers like that. David, who for all we know is like the most powerful being alive can't do that so why would she? Or is that kind of the point? I don't know, she hasn't been shown to be a strong enough character to combat that so much, but I wouldn't mind being wrong.

The Haller household is still the astral plane, as far as I understand it. Melanie said they'd most likely be entering David's mind when they got in there (if they and we weren't already all in his mind that is, hah) so it stands to reckon that the whole bullet scenario isn't apart of "real" life either, but why put so much importance on it then? It must have consequences. Maybe they can still die like that, maybe it'll trap them there, or keep them from peeling back the layers of unreality so they can get back to actual reality again. I really don't know, and again, I think this stems from us just not knowing enough about all that to be able to get a good enough gauge on it. I do think Oliver will certainly play a big role in it though, somehow. He is pretty much the master of the astral plane after being there for so long, I assume he has to have some command over it by now!

Boxing Lenny in like she did to him is a nifty idea. I like it. I could see maybe a Twin Peaks-esque twist happening at the end *TWIN PEAKS SPOILERS* Where we think David has defeated her and then at the last minute something flashes to let us know she's really in there still or something like that.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they let her sort of win in a way this time around. This type of show doesn't play around, hah, they could do that and get away with it, I think. It would almost be a welcome subversion, and since David will be evolving into quasi-villain territory, I think having Lenny around or maybe them merging or coming to an accord isn't out of the question.

The missing feet is very frustrating, lol. I don't get why it was mirrored here either other than it was Lenny plucking from David's memories to better create his reality there so to convince him more. Hence why we got echos of a couple familiar scenes from the pilot. Curious that they decided to make the feet thing one of them, it's really irksome!

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I don't think Amy is doing it purposefully or that she's aware. But she's kind of an outsider in a sense, being a regular person and not having any experience with astral planes and mind work and all that. And she's known David for the longest (outside of Lenny/DYE). Maybe Lenny doesn't view her as a threat, so she wasn't keeping that close an eye on her? Maybe her knowing David and wanting for him to get better, for so many years, makes her instinctively reject the whole scenario of him being comfortable and content in there. But it might be just Lenny chipping away at that relationship.

Yes, there has to be some consequence, but that whole thing happening in the house has got me very confused (if only it was the only thing :D).

It wouldn't surprise me either if this was resolved with some sort of timeshare of David's body between him and Lenny. I'm not really expecting a big win, or some sort of good overcoming evil situation. And Aubrey Plaza's too good in this for us to lose her.

There has to be something to those feet. It's a minor thing, but I hope they explain that one.

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I don't think we'll get anything clear cut good or bad in this show, either. That's far too black and white for the circumstances and style of Legion, but...for the time being, like we've already been seeing....I could see Lenny getting the best of him for a time. Or I am liking that merging idea more and more. As David continues to grow and grasp his situation and abilities more, I think we'll see a different side of him and just how he'll end up using those power of powers!

I'd imagine his internal struggle will always be the crux of the show and the theme that bleeds out into everything else. When you're someone with that much going on inside of you every decision or step could be a battle...as we've already seen.

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I'm not even that convinced we'll leave his head before the season is done :D
Normally I'd think that Lenny taking over would be something for a season finale, if we'll get more of her fully in charge. But with two episodes left there must be some sort of... overcoming of the situation. We'll just have to wait and see.

I wonder how they'll keep this up next season (and beyond hopefully). Presumably we'll enter reality at some point, but so much of the show is about questioning what's real and what isn't. I don't know, but I'm excited to see what's next (even if the current season isn't over yet lol).

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I agree that all of this season could have taken place in his head and the big reveal in the finale could be just that. I have a feeling though, that's almost too obvious. Not only have people been theorizing that since day one, but they've sort of alluded to and tiptoed around it within the show itself.

So, something tells me it is going to be something even more mindfucky than that, lol. I'm both nervous and excited to find out :P

I'm also with you in that I don't know how they're going to sustain this. I don't really see where the story can go, but I don't say that in the usual sense of, "everything has already run its course," I say that more in the sense that they've completely got me eating out of the palm of their very unpredictable, crazy hands! For once, even though I can take guesses and all that, I really am unsure of what the future story lines can and will be. I think that's also exciting in and of itself and really keeps me engaged as a viewer.

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As long as we're not in purgatory, I'm ok with wherever we are lol

This being all in David's mind has crossed my... mind quite a few times. But I meant more the current situation with Lenny. It looks like they're going to spend the next episode trying to fight their way out of there.

Whatever they do, I hope we don't get trippiness fatigue. Last episode was a bit... dull ?, compared to the rest, but I think that was needed, so as to not get a brain overload. I hope you get what I mean :)

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Since we were talking about Amy, I'll just include here that her taking away his pie could also been seen as reminiscent of when David wasn't allowed to have his birthday cupcake in the pilot. I just remembered that stood out to me while watching it...and I think is an interesting almost-parallel.

I don't really know if it means much, but it's something!

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Yeah, and cherry pie is his favourite.

There are all these little "mysteries", that probably aren't that important in the grand scale of things, but just get in you head.

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Just saw it. Disappointed.

I won't expose my beliefs on this one, I think I'll wait until they decide to give me a damn story. I thought they were 10 chapters, turns out they're just 8. And yet, it has no plot. I'm done.

Hope the last one sums up this mess a little, though.

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Great discussion guys, thanks! Can hardly wait til Wednesday.

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Ugh, yes, me again!

I just watched the episode again and there were a few other tidbits I picked up this time around....

- During the painting scene between David and Syd I paid more attention to said painting. The most obvious thing that stands out is that one of her eyes isn't colored in yet. This made think of two different things. One, perhaps it's representing Syd being somewhat aware of two different worlds/realities going on. Sort of like one foot there and one foot in the other, she's seeing into both places, as well as the unfinished eye is white so maybe a callback to the white room where she last was before Clockworks. Two, it almost looks like she could be wearing that white nighty, slip thing that she had on in the white room at first.

Now, we can't really see it that much because it's not a part of the painting all that much, but it seems to be colored white and it has those spaghetti straps that the slip had so I thought maybe it was a bit of that consciousness seeping into David's brain?

- Rethinking that Amy scene it seems more apparent to me now that she acted the way she did there as an offensive tool of Lenny's to keep David away from that door since that's what he was meddling in before she popped on screen. She also uses the word, "adopt," which we now knows carries much more weight for David and would make him uncomfortable there (who wouldn't be in that instance of being berated), in the place he was feeling so comfortable in.

So, it's very at odds with each other, to me. Perhaps it's a bit of Lenny as well as David thrown into what she was saying/doing. It's a really weird scene to me that I have trouble truly reading. Maybe it's supposed to be that way.

- Melanie came through the same mirror Lenny did into David's bedroom. I don't know if there is significance outside of the obvious mirror metaphors and all that, but they focused on that mirror a lot in Ch. 5. as well...so we have Lenny coming through it, Melanie coming through it, that's where we see Amy sitting, and then we actually go through it when Lenny pops in and scares Syd. I don't know if mirrors can be used as some sort of portal, if going through it was supposed to signify being in Lenny's controlled world now or what, but...mirrors have just become such a commonplace symbol in film/tv nowadays that I always notice and read into it.

-David's biological dad knew about YED, well...according to Lenny, if you believer her. I think she's telling the truth there, but you could just as easily say the opposite. Still, it's interesting to think this parasite was maybe a familial problem or that his dad knew it was after David or could thrive off of him somehow...curious-er and curious-er...

Okay, shutting this up now 😋 just needed to get that out here!

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I think there might be fixed entry/exit points in David's mind, and that the mirror is one of them. And I think mirrors are seen as portals between worlds in some cultures. That's why you cover a mirror when someone passes away. That's my take on it at least.

And I did notice Syd's eye in the paining. The first thing that came to mind was "Illuminati confirmed" lol But on a more serious note, she does have an insight into David creations/parasites. And I even thought a few times "Are we in Syd's mind now?". But I have nothing to back that up with, really. Just getting paranoid at this point.

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Mina,
Moviefan225 approached me with the idea of forming a "movie discussion group" with some of the more intelligent posters. I replied that it was a good idea. He has recruited three people, and I've contacted DreamersxDisease.

Would you be interested in joining? If not, please let me know, and we will not be offended. Chocolate and vanilla.

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Hey, MovieMan. Thanks for thinking of me :)

It sounds like a cool idea, I'm willing to give it a try! Let me know where the meeting place is, and I'll see you there :)

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Mina,
You're welcome, and excellent. I'll get back to you when we work out the details.
MovieMan

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Okey-dokey, MovieMan :)

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Dreamers,
Wow! That's a lot to digest. I love this show, and can't wait for Wednesday.

On another subject, Moviefan225 approached me with the idea of a "movie discussion group". Members could suggest a movie, and we would go there and comment. I responded that I thought it was a great idea. We decided to avoid trolls
we would not post an invitation on the General Discussion board. Instead we would recruit intelligent movie fans (such
as yourself) one by one. Since she contacted me on the Dr. Strangelove board, I think that should be our "home base".

She mentioned four or five folks she would contact. Your name occurred to me first, so I'm asking you first. I think we should keep it small (at least at first), so I might ask one or two other posters.

Would you be interested in joining? If you do not like the idea, please let me know and we will not be offended. Chocolate and vanilla
Thanks,
Movieman

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Ho hum. Yeah, this show is hanging by a thin thread of interest left in me now. I mean, it has got a good cast, great creative visuals and a unique trippy feel to it. But the story is just moving at a snails pace. A whole episode to flesh out the idea that they are all trapped in a reality created by David under control by YED/Lenny?

The only really interesting new progress to the story was the scene in the very end where we learned for sure that Lenny is some evil influence that has been within David since "the womb", that wanted to poison him and move on, but then saw the potential of using Davids strength in combination with whatever evil powers they have.

But this comes after 45 mostly boring minutes of trippy weird sequences all viewers paying a bit attention know is not real, and which serves little to no progress in the story or fleshing out the different characters.

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I love the show, but I feel this episode was a little weak as well. Pretty much all the characters essentially sleep-walking through Lenny's (I'm assuming) controlled hospital reality, which really could have all been edited down to 5 minutes.

Budget issues, I suspect. Walking Dead has episodes like this too - like last Sunday's - where everyone is basically just sitting around yaking about inconsequential stuff.

I'll take it back if it turns out this stuff really meant something, but I doubt it:)

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Thank you. I completely agree with you, they should've told us quite a bit more by now.

Looking forward the next episode, though.

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