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Seen Some Pretty Dumb Thriller Premises, But This One Takes the Gold


If there's one thing I can't stand it's a story where one phone call to the cops would make the whole movie go away.

After a number of obnoxious, unstable strangers are led through the front door by her husband, J Law's husband explains, "They have no place else to go, so I said they could stay here and invite some friends."

Yes.
He really says that.

A more honest line from the screenwriter might be, "I was too lazy to think up a situation that could actually occur on planet earth, so instead I made up this ridiculous one that works in my deranged head."

I didn't like this movie right off, starting with the husband being old enough to be our hero's grandpa. Seeing his manner and reactions, it's clear he's up to something and it's nothing good. Or I could have saved myself the trouble and just noticed he's Xavier Bardem.

"They have no place else to go."

This is a typical statement you might hear from a politician.
Let's break it down:

1) Blanket statement of fact with no evidence offered.
Because they told you and you believed them?
Maybe you hired a team of researchers, and after tirelessly scouring the area for days found that there is, in fact, not a single other place for them?

2) Given that #1 is true, they must therefore stay with us, in our house, regardless of how that might cost or endanger us.

Statement #1 is designed to shut down any discussion. Once you accept that (and you've been given no reason to), it's assumed you'll make the leap to accepting #2. You're not supposed to notice that even if #1 is fact (and we are a long way from that), #2 still doesn't necessarily follow at all.

"911 -- what is your emergency?"

"My husband let a bunch of crazy violent assholes into my house and I don't feel safe. One of them assaulted another. I've asked them to leave but they won't."

A police car will show up.
The crazies will leave.
A report will be taken.
That is all.

This is a stupid premise, a stupid movie, and a stupid waste of millions and the talents of JL and others.

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Seen some pretty dumb threads, but this one takes the gold.

The movie is all religious metaphors, expecting it to be logical is pretty dumb. I mean, did you seriously think her not calling the cops was the only thing that was odd or illogical about the movie? The whole movie is weird as fuck. If you seriously believe it was supposed to be a normal thriller, then my mind is blown by your stupidity. “A more honest line from the screenwriter might be, “I was too lazy to think up a situation that could actually occur on planet earth”” What the fuck? 90% of the movie couldn’t occur on planet earth. The screenwriter wasn’t too lazy to come up with a situation that could occur on planet earth, his intention was to write a metaphorical movie.

Anyway, by the end of the movie, EVERYONE was part of the “crazies” including the cops.

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I don't usually respond to obvious trolls, but there might be a valid question beneath the gratuitous insults. I can't really tell.

Are you saying that in a movie where everything sucks, it's ridiculous to single out a premise for criticism? If so, I would disagree. A movie lives or dies, at least initially, by its premise. A ten-second pitch to a producer -- the seed from which many movies sprout -- is nothing *but* a description of that premise. The Barden character's statement 57 minutes in may not be considered the main premise, but it is the fulcrum on which the movie depends. If you don't buy it, the whole movie crumbles.

There's a big difference between a preposterous premise and a preposterous reaction by characters *to* that premise. In fact, some of my favorite films have absurd premises made believable by characters' reactions. The original Stepford Wives makes a good example: the physical reality of the wives' replacement is impossible (at least in 1975), but *given* that, the actions of the nerdy, insecure men are completely plausible.

Your complaint reminds me of a writing class I once had in which a student read aloud his composition only to have the teacher call it "boring." His defense? "Exactly! Boring was just what I was going for. Don't you see?" Your claim that I have no right to criticize a character's preposterous reaction in any movie that is unworldly or otherwise strange makes no sense to me. Every movie has to earn its audience after the first ten minutes. Expecting me to stay with it after rules of known human behavior are clearly violated is not reasonable, and that's where I head for the exit.

As Roger Ebert once said, "In a movie where anything can happen, who cares what happens?"

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'As Roger Ebert once said, "In a movie where anything can happen, who cares what happens?"'

Your Dole Dippers, madam

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Roger: "In a movie where anything can happen, who cares what happens?"
Roger "drops the mic", turns his visor backwards and crosses his arms, canting his torso quarterwise.
d e s p a c i t o , l i b e r a l s

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Absolutely fr*ckin pwned epic style by my boy the Rodge!

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I didn't know anything about this film -- thinking it was a thriller from the get go from the brief IMDb synopsis -- but could tell that it was more than that at least by the middle of the film.

If anyone watches this film to the very end and STILL doesn't get the metaphorical aspect of it from the combat scenes in the house, then you should have been REALLY freaked out by what the fuh was happening other than just "she should have called the cops".

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Omg, this fail is SO epic...

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the cops/soldiers did show up at the house towards the end... didn't make a difference 😉

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Look up "allegory" sometime in a dictionary, or better yet, a textbook on Literature or creative theory.

Having a film like this open at multi-plex theaters shows why the art of cinema is all but dead in the United States these days.

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I did and found nothing about a free pass to create a ludicrous premise.
Allegories still have to work.
This one didn't.

Having a film like this open anywhere is evidence of cinema's demise.
The fact that it's the work of the once-great Aronofsky compounds the letdown.

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"... found nothing about a free pass to create a ludicrous premise."


"Animal Farm" by George Orwell is one of the greatest allegories ever written. But I suppose for you the fact that barnyard animals can actually talk is too ludicrous of a premise and makes it worthless.

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Haven't read that since sixth grade (you?), but at least Mr. Jones didn't let the boars, pigs and dogs into the house while telling his wife, "They have no place else to go, so I told them come on in and invite your friends."

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Did Adam and Eve have “somewhere else to go?”

So, in order to be analogous, Man and Woman need nowhere else to go, you see?

Are you genuinely trying to understand, or are you too busy enjoying being so blessedly right about everything? Because, it’s seeming like the latter.

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I sincerely hope that op is trolling. I wasn't SO impressed by the movie myself and yet wouldn't make such a retarded thread. The fact that pretty much nothing in the movie was "real", calling the cops wouldn't had been in any way useful (assuming that cops exist in the unreal world drpicted in this movie).

I liled the movie and I understood it was a metaphor. I just found it somehow forced and at moments unnecessary.

Anyways op is either a troll or an arrogant retard.

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A swing and a miss!

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To avoid looking like a mouthy fool, you might take care next time to reply to the right post.
You ended up sending your puerility Sandoz's way.

So in fact your reply was, itself, a swing and a miss.
And for the wrong team.

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If there's one thing I can't stand it's a story where one phone call to the cops would make the whole movie go away.


I am not sure how much of the film you watched but I do not believe you finished the film.
At the beginning of the film a hand crushes a piece of coal (or it appears that way) and a jewel is found. The jewel (that Javier Bardem's character is so concerned with) is then placed in the middle of a burned down house. When that is placed there you see the house repairing itself until you see Jennifer Lawrence's character waking up.

At the end of the film JLaw's character caused the house to explode, everyone is killed except Javier Bardem's character. He is untouched. She is still alive but very badly burned (insert Will Farrell from Austin Powers here). He picks her up and places her on the table. She says "take it" and he reaches in and grabs her heart. The heart (as you had seen during the movie) is now a burned piece of coal. Javier repeats what happened at the beginning of the film and everything repeats except a new "mother" is shown to wake up. The sequence of events will repeat.

Any film that has one character basically able to reset the world will not have a "real world" solution. Your mistake was thinking it took place in the real world. I thought it did at the start as well but kept an open mind about it and really enjoyed the film.

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You're right: I watched 57 minutes, right up till the "No place else to go" speech. I hadn't enjoyed one minute till then, and that ridiculous line for me spelled Game Over. A movie can ask too much of the audience as far as suspending disbelief. This one did, and then some.

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One of the problems with a film like Mother! is that it can't give away the reveal without changing the audiences approach to watching. If someone comes into the film with the wrong frame of mind for the film, and I have been guilty of this myself many times, the experience is very disappointing. I wish you did like it but not every film can be for everyone at any given time.

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A piece of advice, and it is sincere, if this bothers you (and it other films it bothers me as well) do not ever watch the TV series "Scorpion" It is a fun show but people never are normal in that series.

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Just caught Penn Jillette talking about Scorpion and his involvement with it. I'd never heard of it before last night (being CBS, it's not on hulu), but had planned to give it a go. Will certainly keep your warning in mind. If true, you're right -- I won't like it. Plus I'll have to watch the commercials.

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In a comment about mother! you mentioned "A movie can ask too much of the audience as far as suspending disbelief." That might be Scorpion's mantra.

For example, In the pilot episode software from a plane has to be download to the airport's network. It can not be done via normal methods because the network has been corrupted.
So they try to get the plane to fly by the airport to get a wi-fi signal. That does not work because the plane is flying by too fast it is not in the airport's wi-fi range long enough to download the software.

So their next attempt, and I am not lying to you, is they have the plane make an approach to the runway and fly about 10 feet above the runway. While the plane is doing this one of our heroes is driving a sports car at 200mph down the runway. Another member of the team is standing through the sunroof of the car with a laptop.

Why is she doing this? A member of the plane crew has connected an ethernet cable to the airplane's computer and has crawled down the lowered landing gear to give the end to the person standing through the sun roof. This is done so the laptop and the plane can be physically connected and the download can be made. All while driving at 200mph down the runway.

Oh and about dialogue. They will have situations where a complicated set of exposition must be told. It might be about 12 sentences and each member of the team will give two sentences each whereas normally one person would just say it.

After all that stuff, I still like as the characters are fun but I still get amazed at what they expect us to believe.

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lol at how obtuse you got.

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