Awful Pairing


Really?? I get excited when I see Javier Bardem's name, but overrated actress of the decade Jennifer Lawrence ruins the whole idea for me.

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She was the top choice for this film before Bardem was even cast, every director in town wants her in his film and lots of them praise her talent, not bad for the most overrated actress of the decade. and I don't think they're going to be paired as a couple if that's what you think. So if it ruins your whole idea, just don't watch it. As simple as that. 

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I understand that she's awfully talented and in-demand (although, yes, immensely overrated), but her name attached to any project makes me shudder. And I'm allowed to have an opinion on something even if I don't like it or don't want to watch it.

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Of course you're allowed to have an opinion, nobody said otherwise. We all have different preferences. But to be fair, she's attached to few projects in general compared to her status, and she barely releases two movies per year so it's not like she's in everything,so she's kind to you in that regard. 

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I completely agree with you, I can't stand Jennifer Lawrence either. But I guess everyone has their own opinion.

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Why? 

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In my opinion I think that she is annoying and overrated but everyone has their own opinion. If you like her that's great, I have nothing against it. I just can't see her and Javier together on screen.

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I absolutely don't agree you, but it's ok to think whatever you want, I mean nobody can appeal to everyone. Especially someone like her with a certain personality going on and huge success in such a short period of time. Some without realizing it would resent her for all of that among other reasons. And I certainly can't judge you since I thought the same about Lawrence in the beginning and changed my mind.

Also, I think it's preferably for anyone who dislikes her or anyone in any movie for that matter to wait and actually watch the thing if they're interested before judging the whole project right away and assume they can't "see" or "imagine" someone in this or with that person. It's foolish to do so.


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I can see the appeal, I guess I just don't love her though. I really love your response, you seem very patient and nice, thank you.

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I understand you, like I said I thought the same at the beginning and it took me quiet while to realize what she is exactly. But hey I love your responses too and you seem reasonable to me, dislike her or not, that's what opinions are for as long as it's done in a respectful way. So thanks to you too!

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someone is a Hunger Games fangirl

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Not that it's a bad thing to be a HG fangirl, but I'm not. 

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I wouldn't know her from anything but the hagner games promos if I hadn't watched Winter's Bone. If you've seen it and still don't like her, your prerogative. If you haven't seen it, seriously, watch it. Amazing movie, amazing performance (actual shades of first hunger games in it - maybe why she got the HG role.)

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I do think she's a very talented actress -- just very overexposed. And her public persona kind of ruins her for me, the whole "I'm a girl who eats pizza, look at me, I'm normal!" thing she pushes so hard. At least she's been very low key recently.

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Her public persona translates what she really is according to people who have worked with her and have known her before she got famous. You can read any article or interview prior to her fame, like even around 2009 for example and you will notice that for yourself.

Being famous and rich doesn't change certain things about a person who happens to be young, outgoing and fun like her, even when it comes to what she prefers whether it's eating or what she is talking about. And it's not her fault the media uses every little thing she says here and there to prove she's relatable and outgoing. That's the media click bait for you because those headlines and articles they write get buzz going. Lawrence never said look at me i'm normal. Or look how down to earth I'm, she just talked about the stuff she liked because she's a very loud and spontaneous person, and those things just get picked up everywhere. I don't think you should judge her in such a negative way because of that.

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I do think she's a very talented actress -- just very overexposed. And her public persona kind of ruins her for me, the whole "I'm a girl who eats pizza, look at me, I'm normal!" thing she pushes so hard. At least she's been very low key recently.


I hear ya. Loud and clear. She's in too many interviews.

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plus, she's not extremely talented, it's been noted that she won an oscar for playing a role badly - she was meant to be crazy and takes all kinds of drugs, yet didn't display any of that in her act, at all. Bradley Cooper did a better job of doing just that.

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. . .it's been noted that she won an oscar for playing a role badly. . .


Noted by whom, other than you? That performance got critical raves across the board.

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You are right, it was on the strength of 'Winter's Bone' that she got 'Hunger Games' I consider Jennifer to be the best actress ever, my opinion. I have not been disappointed with any of her performances. 19 movies and 35 television programs to date. I just don't understand all the hate that is directed at her, just because she does not conform to the normal stereotype of 'eye candy movie star' She is completely down to Earth and that is why I like her so much.

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I agree. She has been nominated for 255 awards and has won 105 of them. Very few other actors have more than a few nominations and one or two wins in their lifetimes. Thousands of people have voted for her for those awards. Her acting is subtle and nuanced, not loud and melodramatic. Donald Sutherland calls her an acting genius, the best actor he has ever seen, and Bradley Cooper calls her a miracle. Her behavior is caused by a combination of terrible anxiety and a disorder that causes impulsivity. She attends events because she is obligated to, but she wants to have much less attention paid to her. When she goes out in public she usually covers her face or at least looks down and has no expression. I admire her enormously.

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Of course you're allowed an opinion but she is not overrated. She shines in everything she appears in. I don't even recognise the other name you mentioned but Jennifer Lawrence in the cast list means quality acting.

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Of course you are

allowed to have an opinion on something even if I don't like it or don't want to watch it.
but in light of you understanding
that she's awfully talented and in-demand
then WHY does
her name attached to any project makes me shudder
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all this arguing, when Jennifer Lawrence really is the most overrated actor
Get off my tractor!!

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Well said. My thoughts exactly. I have seen her in 19 movies and she is excellent in all of them.

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Excellent reply and so true. Personally I'd watch a film with Jennifer in it but I have no idea about the other one.

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Really not in the mood to see Jlaw play dress up as a 40 year old woman again. So I hope they are NOT the couple. Even creepier if they had her play her age and him his.

If they aren't a couple, still don't want to see her. I don't find her to be a very versatile actress. She plays all her roles the same way. She doesn't become characters she plays. I still see just Jennifer.

Tiffany/Joy/Rosalyn
Ree/Katniss

I'm interested to see her in Passengers though.



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You are out of your mind if you think she plays any of these characters the same way. Well, maybe Joy and Tiffany a little.

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I guess and correct me if i'm wrong that it's because she became JLaw for you more than an actress you go see her movies, a celebrity to sum it up. Her stardom and exposure in media outlets and so on might be the thing that gets you to probably see her as the same in whatever it is you see of her.

For me, her performance as Joy has nothing to do with hers as Tiffany, same goes for Rosalyn. They're very different, either with mannerisms (hands, eyes and facial expresses) and sometimes with some voice details as well. Joy had a quiet energy to her, more restrained and controlled, while her character as Tiffany was unstable but still loud and strong. In American Hustle, Rosalyn was immature and crazy, and her needy/afraid of change personality was very obvious throughout the performance.

As for Ree and Katniss, both of those are very different in comparison to the performances above, that rules out for me the lack of versatility aspect you mentioned, and while they share certain details (like the fact that it's a young girl raising her siblings with a mentally absent mother) Katniss was more out there as a character, not so much subtle as Ree especially as the series progressed when she suffered from PTSD and so on, while the latter was more of a shy and quiet persona in Winter's bone. SO they were all played in a very different way and I would also say that when you look at Lawrence's age group, she has certainly played a wide variety of characters whether they're dramatic or comedic and in a very different way, all of this and she's just 25 years old.

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I think Jennifer will be paired with Domhnall.

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Yea. I just saw he was added to the cast and Javier's name appears lower now.

This love will be your downfall

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The order of the names usually means how many times the person's page was looked at. From what I read Bardem is the male lead and many actors wanted this role. But Aronofsky said that Bardem was always his first choice. The fact that he is the male lead does not mean he is a couple with Lawrence. I have a feeling that she will be a couple with Gleeson.

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Tiffany/Joy/Rosalyn
Ree/Katniss


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JLaw is not overrated, she's overhyped/overexposed. Huge difference, and it's the media, not her, that you have to "blame" for her overexposure.

She's quite the actress, so of course she's in high demand. Has always been the case for versatile and capable actors/actresses. Where you see a bland face, others see great casting, subtle nuances and so on.

And she's barely 25...plenty of time to try out a variety of new characters and scripts.




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Me *has an opinion*
You *is a complete *beep* about it*

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Overrated? my A**.How can a 25 yr old be overrated, she is not a finished product yet and has lots of areas to improve esp accents,etc. Many legendary actresses havent even started their career at her age.The success for her age is unmatched,there is no one even close. Both with Box office and critical acclaim , apart from that she is the internet darling and press darling unlike anyone ever really. I dont care what her rabid fans think about her skills really. Its what the insiders in hollywood think that matters. Directors, those worked with her and those who havent hold her in very very high regard, I am talking about directors like Tarantino , A Payne , W Allen etc. Apart from that, she has an excellent sense of humour, very easy to work with and has an excellent work ethic. All these qualities will put her in top slot for any director really.

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Hmmm...looking at your post history, I think it'a fair to say you're a little biased ; )

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Really?? I get excited when I see Jennifer Lawrence's name, but overrated actor of the decade Javier Bardem ruins the whole idea for me.

All Art is pretense.

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I guess I won't be fighting you for a ticket, then. We both win!

All Art is pretense.

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Lawrence is so ugly


This says a lot about you that you think someone being "ugly" is a valid reason to not like them.

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Don't watch it then. I consider Jennifer to be the finest actress of this and any other generation. In fact, she is the greatest actress that has ever lived.

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Well... I suppose it was too good to last. The trolls are sniffing around, and, troll-like, putting a damper on what began as an interesting exchange of views among people who--some of them, anyway--seemed to know a thing or two about judging the work of actors.

And this did seem like the perfect thread to post in (rather than doing that annoying thing of starting a new thread, when one was already established) to comment on at least a weird if not absolutely "awful pairing" of Jennifer Lawrence with Javier Bardem (see http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/04/domhnall-gleeson-darren-aronofsky) in a May-December relationship as the married couple mentioned in plot outlines of Aronofsky's new, still untitled film.

I only intended to remark that I thought the significant age difference (over 20 years) made this casting decision questionable at best. There's a creep factor that just can't be denied...unless that age difference forms part of the plot, in which case the pairing suddenly makes sense. And that's all I meant to address. Really.

But then...

Then, I had to go on reading the rest of the posts (wish I hadn't), which stirred that simmering pot that's always going, going, going on the back burner in my mind, the pot full of all those overcooked, tasteless "overrated" jibes that we've all read way too often on the IMDb about every major actor... Sheesh.

Let's just say that no one who has missed seeing the Spanish actor Javier Bardem in Carne Tremula (Live Flesh), Antes que anochezca (Before Night Falls), Los lunes al sol (Mondays in the Sun), Mar adentro (The Sea Inside), No Country for Old Men, Love in the Time of Cholera, Vicky Cristina Barcelona, Biutiful, To the Wonder, and Skyfall (to name only his most significant performances) is qualified to suggest that this actor is "overrated." Seeing even a couple of these should quell any temptation to apply the tiresome (and dramatically inapt!) "O" word. And viewers who have actually seen several/most/all of these (and maybe a few of his best early films) would know better than to embarrass themselves. Certainly no one in the professional worlds of filmmaking and criticism could justify calling Javier Bardem "overrated." Quite the reverse--the challenge, indeed, is to find a word sufficient to appreciate his power onscreen--and the professional preparation and emotional daring that together ground that power. Guillermo del Toro, the gifted Mexican director, producer, and screenwriter (not to be confused with the actor Benicio Del Toro, from Puerto Rico), has called Javier Bardem "monumental" as an actor. That works. I like his word.

I suppose it is possible to name actors who really are overrated (by whom, is the question), though this is normally a term I hear bandied about by nonprofessionals, usually meaninglessly. I can't imagine where commentators on the IMDb's forums--avid viewers, no doubt, but certainly not (for the most part) industry insiders--come by the notion that saying an actor is "overrated" makes the commentator sound authoritative and sophisticated in his (or her) tastes. It doesn't. It makes the commentator sound like an amateur who desperately wishes to sound like the sort of insider who is qualified (by experience, by training) to judge the work of actors.

It just ain't so. That sort of judgment has to be earned. It's not something you can just lay claim to, citing the junior high school maxim that everyone's entitled to an opinion. That ain't so, either. Adults know that entitlement to an opinion, like judgment, must be earned; it cannot be self-conferred. At least, not credibly.

(To be clear: everyone is entitled to dislike an actor, or the actor's work, or to like one actor's performance better than another's--especially if they think the "wrong" actor won an award. That's a whole nother story, and I wouldn't dream of suggesting otherwise. Liking and disliking, and preferences, are personal matters--no one needs to "earn" their dis/likes and preferences.)

But, on the earlier note regarding people who clearly seem to have earned the right to voice an opinion of actors' work, I wanted to add that the nicely-reasoned discussion on the first page of this thread, carried on by some very thoughtful folks, has piqued my interest in exploring the work of Jennifer Lawrence, whose films I have not yet seen. I'm always thrilled to discover great work by a "new" actor--one new to me, that is. So, thanks to all of you--especially HasWJ, jsycamore-181-254662, and kvhdn000--for an interesting discussion. It is rare to find anything so sensible that manages to survive the busy work of the IMDb's notorious Troll Patrol. I can't wait to see what I've been missing.

Meanwhile, I'll have to wait, but with the keenest interest, to see how this new Aronofsky film turns out. Maybe the Vanity Fair online piece was mistaken about the roles people were cast in. Principal photography's almost finished in Montreal, so perhaps more news will leak out in the coming months.








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I like your style, she is by favorite actress by a longshot. I never paid her much mind, thought she was funny and cute on talkshows, but then I saw SLPB. Then saw it again, and again, x100. Thanks Showtime, they had it on repeat pretty much 24/7 there for a while.

As for "awful pairing", how does anyone know who is paired with who? Maybe discuss it once we know, not before?

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