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Why would the family tell they lived in Brazil?


By the family telling the authorities that the brothers were in Brazil, why didn't they go to Brazil and search for information there? They supposedly lived on a farm in Brazil. Some one would have seen or remembered them.
Even if they were in that photo in 1975 they are dead by now. Why would two prison escapees agree to get a photo taken? They would run from photos being taken not pose for one.
The theory that they got towed by a boat does not measure up. No real proof.
What happened to Frank Morris?

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They most likely trusted there childhood friend with the photo so he could present to there family with evidence that they where alive and well. Seems they where all very close so this separation must have been really hard for them. As far as the FBI going to Brazil they would need permission by there government to even search for them. Not sure they would even pull funds to even search for two 85 year old cons that held a bank robbery with a toy gun. I believe the family just want some closure to this case that has haunted them for 53 years. It has always been believed that some boat would have to play a part to safely make out of the bay. Remember they grow up on a river and had plenty of water experience.

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As for Frank Morris who knows. He may have followed them south and disappeared south of the border. It was much easier to disappear back then then today.

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The one thing they said that makes sense, is that they planned and escaped by even painting portraits and cutting hair so they could make realistic models, and escaped the roof by climbing down a structure that existed and further avoided detection by exiting the walkway on the far side of a water tower. So, then, they must have planned how to escape from the island after they had escaped the prison. Furthermore, which is not mentioned, Alcatraz did have six daily ferries to and from San Francisco for the guards and their families, who lived on Alcatraz. The other thing I think they didn't mention is that they also had 50 raincoats to either make a raft or to swim to the boat reported by the coast guard as running without lights. Since they escaped from Alcatraz, it involved planning, which included escaping from Alcatraz island in June. Anyway, the escape from Alcatraz triathlon includes the 1.5 mile swim which requires a wetsuit, not a raft, and then a warm-up run and 18 mile cycle. It is also held in June. By they way, I swam and surfed at Pismo beach in half wetsuit, and the average temperature is about 57 degrees in July, whereas the average temperature in the San Francisco Bay is 55 degrees in June.

I'm sorry the Coen brothers don't direct the porn I watch. They're hard to get ahold of, okay?

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How could they swim fast enough to chase and get aboard a ferry in the dark? These guys were probably not in the best physical shape. It's not like they could practice endurance swimming in prison.
The water had strong currents to swim against.
I still want to believe that somehow they made it.

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How could they swim fast enough to chase and get aboard a ferry in the dark? These guys were probably not in the best physical shape. It's not like they could practice endurance swimming in prison.
The water had strong currents to swim against.
They didn't need to be strong swimmers. Something that was mentioned in the show was how they used to trail behind a boat by hanging on to a rope attached to it. THAT is probably how they escaped. All they had to do was attach something to one of the ferries and then hold on for dear life!


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They wouldn't have had to hang on. They either attached their life preservers (made with the 50 raincoats) or they paddled to the boat that exited the bay without running lights. Actually, prisoners at Alcatraz were allowed visitors once a month. Furthermore, their closest friend was also a smuggler, so exiting the bay without running lights was in his bailiwick.

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How could they have stolen 50 raincoats and no one noticed they were missing? The guards counted everything.

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How could they have stolen 50 raincoats and no one noticed they were missing? The guards counted everything.
It's not up for debate, as it's part of the known history of their escape. If I ever knew HOW they managed it, I've forgotten, but I do know it actually happened. 


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They were given them by other prisoners. They had 50 raincoats. They either inflated them to make a raft or used them as life preservers. They escaped from Alcatraz, which is in the bay. Swimmers swim across the bay in the Escape from Alcatraz event in June (less than 1 1/2 miles) when they actually escaped. They also had a line, and may have attached it to the ferry leaving around midnight. By the way, the bay is also very foggy, especially in the evening and early morning. Nevertheless, a boat lying off Alcatraz without running lights also exited the bay that night. And the boyhood friend of the Anglins was a smuggler and was later known to fly smuggling routes. It could've been easy to disappear in 1962. But today, if someone wants to disappear, they usually sever ties with their past life and can go to Cuba or Iceland or the Ukraine or elsewhere unwilling to extradite to the US.

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They were given them by other prisoners. They had 50 raincoats.
Thanks for that. I really couldn't remember HOW they got them, just that they did indeed get them! 


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They tunneled out with spoons, which took about a year and a half. In the meantime, they accumulated equipment. They took up portrait painting to have flesh colored paint, and one of the Anglins worked in the barber shop to collect hair, to make the mannequins they left in their beds at lights out, when they escaped.

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The reasoning in the show was that by circa 1975 the Anglins wanted their family to know they were alive and intended for this photo to one-day be delivered to them. It was in 1992.

As for the towing away via a boat, it makes the MOST sense of anything I have ever heard about what happened when they reached the water. The last boat left Alcatraz at 12:10am, circa 40 mins when the trio hit the water. Blood hounds traced a sent to the cave on the opposite side of the island, this seems like they did traverse the island in an anti clockward direction to avoid the guard tower.

About a month after the escape a body, covered in blue prison like clothing was seen by a Norwegian shipper, who reported it upon his return. I think this was Frank Morris.

A police officer reported on the night of the escape at midnight he saw a boat in the vicinity of the island.

As for the suggestion the trio couldn't have gotten hold of 50 prison raincoats as on Alcatraz "they counted everything", this is nonsense. It's on public record Alcatraz did NOT count the issue of raincoats, this massive loophole, like so many facilitated the escape. Another one, was the prison tower on the cellblock roof was no longer in existence by 1962, in the earlier years the escape would have 100% been prevented by this tower.

That photo in question is of the Anglin brothers post their escape. I think this documentary, and the forthcoming book by Michael Esslinger will be the closest to the truth on this topic. For years I thought the trio died in the water, I was only 1/3 right.

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