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When she was hiding in the bathroom..


Near the end when she went to the bathroom, and was sitting on the floor with her back to the tub and a knife in her hand. Then all of a sudden the psycho dude is in the tub right behind her?? Did I miss something?? I thought they would have some big twist at the end that this was all her book or something because he also never fully broke the glass he was banging on with the axe. I dunno, maybe I was too baked and missed a key part. But if I didn't miss anything then I think this movie sucks. There was no motive and we knew absolutely nothing about the psycho. It made the movie kinda boring considering there also isn't much talking

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This has been discussed in a few other threads on here.

When she is in the bathroom you can notice that there is a round window behind the tub. He breaks this window (in the slow motion you can see the broken glass raining down behind her), and then he drops into the bathtub. You can see the window a little more clearly in one of the earlier scenes when she is in the bathroom.

Those who need/want killer motivations (not a criticism) seem to dislike this movie. I liked it. I think that it's plenty scary to think that someone might want to harm you for no reason.

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i think is not motives that people want, but rather maybe more background of each character..........

This show starts off like as if it episode 2 of a series..........

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There was no motive and we knew absolutely nothing about the psycho.

Huh? What motive are you looking for exactly? Serial killer don't need a reason to kill.

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Huh? What motive are you looking for exactly? Serial killer don't need a reason to kill.


I think that there was a pretty strong run for a while of movies where there was always a reveal at some point that the killer and victims were connected. Like "Oh, the killer is a guy the girls bullied back when they were all kids!" or "Oh, the killer is the brother of the girl the main characters let OD back when they were in college!" or there's some reveal about the trauma that the killer suffered that made him kill like "Oh, the killer used to go hunting with his dad and they'd use crossbows and then the dad had an affair and killed the mistress and now he kills random women to feel closer to his dad!".

These days a lot of audiences seem to expect a backstory along with a reason for the killings. I agree with you that killers don't need a reason to kill.

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You're kidding right? It is EXTREMELY rare for a killer to have no motive whatsoever. In real life anyways. Obviously they don't need to have a reason to kill... but they always do. Can you even give me 1 or 2 examples of a real life killer who had no reason or motive behind it at all? Because I can't think of any

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It is EXTREMELY rare for a killer to have no motive whatsoever. In real life anyways. Obviously they don't need to have a reason to kill... but they always do.


What I meant was that killers do not always have a reason that is specifically linked to their particular victim or to one specific trauma or incident. It's not that killers lack motivation, it's that it isn't always necessary for a movie to spell out why a killer chooses to kill. Motives exist, but they are not always relevant.

I'm sure that the killer in the movie had a reason (probably psychological rather than material). But I don't think that the reason is always a connection to the victim (in this case he sort of stumbles across Maddie while pursuing the neighbor), and a killer's motivation is not always apparent to the victim.

Consider Gary Ridgeway, also known as the Green River Killer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway).

What was his motivation? I mean, obviously there is a sexual element, but that doesn't explain it. There are plenty of people with high sex drives, a history of parents fighting, and military service who do not go on to murder dozens of women. And to his victims it would not have been clear why he was killing them. If you were a fly on the wall watching one of his murders, you probably wouldn't find out why either.

Maybe a more apt comparison would be Robert Hansen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hansen) who abducted women, raped them, and then hunted them through the woods using guns and other weapons. His Wikipedia entry offers details about his youth that seem to point to motive (bullying, dysfunctional relationship with dad, resentment of girls who rejected him), but again those are things that many children/teens endure. What makes this guy a killer? Would any of those women he killed have understood why this was happening to them as he stalked them through the woods? Would it have made any difference to them or to their story?

When a movie about a killer is centered on the killer, I think it's important to develop the character which often includes motivation for the murders. But when a movie is centered on a protagonist (in this case Maddie) I don't think it's necessary to know the killer's motive. It might be interesting to know why the killer does what he does, but I don't think it's necessary and I don't think that not knowing hurts the movie.

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But, what? There was nothing there to drive his motivation to kill or inform the audience with any sense of a understanding why. While I'm not a big fan of The Strangers at least we got a "Because you were home." Those little things like that tell you so much about the characters.

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There was nothing there to drive his motivation to kill or inform the audience with any sense of a understanding why.


I think that there are several implicit clues about the kind of person the killer is. These are only my interpretation, of course, but I felt like I knew all I needed to know about him.

1) The way that he kills the neighbor has a TON of sexual overtones. He tells Maddie that he will come into the house when she wants him. I think that he gets off on fear and domination. His threat to Maddie in the bathroom combines sexual and violent imagery ("I bet if I hit the right spot I can make you scream").

2) This isn't a killer who is looking for a real challenge. Sometimes killers in movies seem to yearn for an opponent who will truly test them, and even seem pleased when one of their victims tries to fight back. This killer has no qualms about "cheating" to kill the male neighbor, even saying that he knew he couldn't beat him in a fair fight. Maddie clearly hits a nerve when she calls him a coward.

3) This killer is impulsive and petty. The notches on the crossbow seem to indicate that he's done this before. We have no reason to assume that he knew the neighbor, yet he kills her in a way that is associated with people who are killing both intimately and in a frenzy (the repeated stabbing).

My sense was that this was a man who felt disrespected, especially by women. I think that he kills out of a desire to dominate and have power over others. But like most petty people he has no real code of honor. If you start from the fact that he gets off on terrorizing people (most likely women) to feel powerful, his actions all make sense to me. And it especially makes sense why he would be so angry that a woman--a woman with a disability--would prove to be such a challenge.

I feel like I recognized the kind of person he was--the neck tattoos spoke volumes. I wish I could find the link, but there was an article I read (pretty heartbreaking) about a lesbian couple who were attacked in their home by a man. No reason other than he was angry at not having enough female attention and wanted to terrorize and humiliate them. That kind of man and that kind of anger were things I understood watching the movie.

I understand the desire to know why he was doing it, but in the end I'm not sure what difference it makes. I don't feel like finding out his mom didn't hug him enough or that his older sister bullied him or that his ex-girlfriend humiliated him adds anything to the story for me. The director deliberately chose to keep the motivation a secret.

You can read the director himself address the question of motivation in this post he wrote about the movie: https://www.facebook.com/notes/mike-flanagan/regarding-the-why/10153664900868087.

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