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A plea for someone to answer my questions--


It should obviously go without saying that this thread will be full of spoilers.. I mean I've clearly stated that I've seen the movie, in its entirety, and I'm damn near begging, at this point, for someone to please let me in on the Danish dialogue..

Yes, I do fully understand that while the dialogue will not answer all the very many questions that I long to have answered about exactly what was happening..and that there is a monstrous dose of ambiguity, regardless of knowing the dialogue.. but, please, I'm literally begging for someone to break it down as much as possible, because while I very much loved so much about this film and the tremendous dread, fear, and horror that I felt throughout(and even understood that as the movie played out that a lot was meant to be NOT understood due to being unable to discern the exact dialogue of the main characters and the convos they had with other Danish characters).. yea, that all played quite well,and yes, it added to the dread, fear, horror, etc..but I'm just dying to know what the hell was happening??

Who, and what was Shelley? Shelley was the evil, and I would like to atleast understand what was discussed about it..like in the healer, Leo's, final scene..he was asking Louise about Shelley(though, I had no clue as to what was being asked), and certainly no clue as to what Louise's reply was to Leo regarding the baby and Shelley..next thing you know Leo goes to the nursery with Louise, and while standing behind Louise, Leo and the baby lock eyes, something horrible seems to arise in him, and he's wide eyed, shaking, and calmly walks out of the house, and vanishes from the face of the earth..what was happening??/and what was said later that night between Louise and Kasper as she seemed to be relaying to Kasper what had happened with Leo.

Kasper was obviously torn from quite early on, in his seeing the beautiful, kind, innocent Elena begin to be tormented physically, mentally, emotionally.. they obviously knew that by Elena's agreeing to carry his and Louise's baby that she essentially, was unknowingly sacrificing her very own life..

What was spoken between these two about all of it? and at the end before Louise murders Kasper what was said? I'd really love to know, even if, as I said, it still doesn't answer all of my questions in the detailed way that I'd like...nonetheless, if someone could please atleast fill me in on what I was unable to understand due to the foreign language barrier..

what was it that the doctor said to Louise about the baby, both during the pregnancy, and after the baby was "born"?? Clearly the doctor was fully aware of what "it" was..what was happening to Elena, and most likely what "Shelley" was, and what "Shelley" meant to Louise, and now Louise's "baby"??


There are so many more questions, but I fear it a complete waste to even continue, if there's no one willing to answer me about the one's I've already brought up, here in this post..

I would be ever so grateful to whomever may take the time to reply to my thread, and whatever light they're willing to shed on the multitude of questions this inquiring mind has about this film.. Thanks in advance.

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you should just watch it with subs, they are on sites like opensubtitles and subscene.

Kaspar had no clue what was going on, he wanted to call Elena's parents and hated the baby after it was born. he complained it made a clicking noise and acted as though he didnt think it was human. no-one ever explained what shelley was, or if the mother was human either actually.

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The last visit with the healer -- Louise tells him that Kasper has been distant and strange since the baby was born, not sleeping and doesn't hold the child. The healer says nothing significant, just looks at the baby and then leaves.

Kaspar complains a few times how he can't sleep with the baby making "that sound", which Louise can't hear. That's pretty much the extent of it. At the end, when he's leaving in the car, it's just "Stop, don't leave, give me the baby" etc. Nothing revealing.

The doctor just says normal doctor things like "You're fine, Elena, nothing is wrong, the baby is healthy, it's perfectly normal to feel tired and have irritated skin." It doesn't actually seem like she has any idea about the real nature of the baby.

None of the dialogue answers any questions arising during the film. The film could be silent and effectively tell the same story. I liked the atmosphere of dread -- I thought it was well done -- but I think choosing to be vague and not commit to a narrative was a real weakness of the film, and will make most people feel like they wasted their time.

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Thanks to you, both, for taking the time to read and reply to my whining questions..lol..

I am a little surprised to see that Kasper was in fact pretty clueless to what was happening... other than that it appears as though it is heavy, heavy, heavy on the vagueness even if watched with zero language barrier..

I agree that the movie could nearly be watched in silence, and come away with a fairly similar understanding of all of the happenings in the film... and I, too, for the most part, enjoyed and liked the ominous dread that was oozing from this film as it played out(and I held firm, forcing myself to watch all the way through to the end), before getting online and attempting to quell all of my mind spinning curiosities of what the hell was happening, as it was happening.

While, I did enjoy this film, I, too, fear that its extremely, heavy handed vagueness will be a big turn off to many people.


Again, thanks so much for taking the time to reply..its greatly appreciated

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Thanks for pointing me in the right direction regarding the subtitles..

Just went back and watched it with subtitles, and have to say that the biggest thing that I learned was that they had actually named the baby, Shelley.. I suppose it may have not been clear in my opening post, but I had zero clue whatsoever that they had named the baby, Shelley.

I wrongly assumed that Louise had stuck to her original name, Elena, for the baby girl(she tells this to Elena on the car ride home from the dr after learning the sex of the baby). When I heard the name "Shelley" mentioned in the several convos(prior to downloading the subtitles).. I was assuming that when they spoke of Shelley they were speaking of the "evil entity", while they were actually just speaking of "the baby"..

Anyhow, just wanted to say thanks again to you, both, for taking the time to reply..its greatly appreciated.

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Ok since you watched it again, can you explain to me why Professor Snape was in the background at the very end? Or was that her husband? But I thought she just beat the hell out of him while he was in the car. Really great atmosphere, acting, cinematography, the whole shebang (I don't know how to spell that word and refuse to look it up because I'm too lazy), cool movie. But the ending wasn't even ambiguous to me. It wasn't like I thought it could have multiple, unanswered, yet inferred meanings. It left me hopelessly lost. Sure, the baby's the devil or whatever, but why, o why, was Professor Snape in the background at the end?! I'm obviously joking when I say that, but I'm gonna need an answer to that if you get a chance. haha thanks

btw, Elena is so freaking gorgeous. I want her to be typecasted into every young Romanian girl's role from now on.

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At the end, it was Elena in the shadows. Kaspar saw her earlier. Shes either attached to the baby, or her soul was in the baby. The baby drove Elena crazy, then Kaspar and now the mother.

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I had a strong feeling that something was going on between the Doctor and Louise, but like everything in this film it was never explained clearly. I liked the movie though.

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I felt they were giving the impression that she'd actually given birth to herself.
If that's the case, they could have done a much better job at telling the story, without spelling it all out.

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I like that idea a lot. I got a huge "Rosemary's Baby" vibe from the whole thing. Don't think Kasper was the father. Doc and Mom were in cahoots, bringing forth the evil child.

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I think that there was nothing evil at all. I think it was the primitive conditions and their holistic beliefs that breed this possible outcome in Elena's condition. I think she was suffering from toxoplasmosis that she contracted from the couple or/and the chickens and chicken feces. You don't let pregnant women handle changing out litter boxes for cats, so I wouldn't' think a chicken coup would be advised.

In 2003, E. Fuller Torrey of the Stanley Medical Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland his colleagues noted a link between Toxoplasma and schizophrenia – specifically, that women with high levels of the parasite were more likely to give birth to schizophrenics-to-be. The hypothesis given for this phenomenon is that while for most people who are infected, Toxoplasma has minor effects, for some, the changes are much more pronounced.

Continuing to work with mental patients, scientists later discovered a link between suicide and parasite infection. But, of course, this link was in people who already have mental illness.

We know some women go through a psychosis during their pregnancy or after it. Could be the normal hormonal psychosis mixed with Taxoplasma, mixed with the DNA compatible of the natural parents created a toxic cocktail because the wife and husband might already been carriers of the parasite. You can live with it in some cases but usually their is a higher ratio of urinary tract infections.

I think a lot of what happened after Shelly was born was due to guilt and was it worth it? People who live so simplistic chose to for their mental health is the impression give. They tend to believe everything happens because God has a purpose. Them not being able to have children there was a reason. Not many more stressful things then having children.

Elena getting ill and dying probably felt like a punishment to him. The child became the angst in his mind for their presumed selfishness. He felt guilt at putting his wife's desire to have a child above what was meant to be. I think the wife always suffered mentally from not being able to have the one thing she wanted most and it was why they moved their away from all the necessities of life in the first place. The reason he must have felt "Help" Elena was needed, because why when his wife didn't work and they had no children she needed help?

This is just my take, of course.

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If I am not mistaken, what you are describing is also the possible answer to crazy cat lady syndrome. Cats are and will always be evil!!!! (sarcasm intended)

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my iq just dropped significantly from reading this @sheeree

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So the whole subplot with the spiritual healer sensing something evil while she was pregnant and then immediately running away in terror and never coming back when seeing the baby for the first time was just a really weird coincidence that had nothing to do with anything? Nah. You're overthinking this.

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How does that explain the baby's eyes going black in one of the last scenes?

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Confusing as this movie legitimately is, I really have not a clue why you would watch it without subtitles and then make THAT into the mystery.

There are fully subtitled versions online. The dialogue wasn't MEANT to be a mystery. It was just regular dialogue and it gave nothing away about what was happening at all. Why on earth confuse yourself even more by watching it unsubtitled and then asking other people to tell you what happened?

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Film os now on Netflix, and subtitled, for the record.

I did enjoy the mood, the quiet intensity. I think that much like the Babadook, this is a surrealist drama on motherhood masquerading as horror.

Which doesn't mean that the horror elements weren't
delightful, because they were. I just think the film makes more sense outside of typical genre conventions.

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Clearly you didn't watch the movie at all...

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I would recommend that you watch "Rosemary's Baby". Very similar plot.

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